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Please go read how the Anthropic max plan works. IF I USE LESS TOKENS, ANTHROPIC GETS MORE MONEY! You are blindly pattern matching to "corporation bad!" withou

by ctoth 8mo ago

Please go read how the Anthropic max plan works. IF I USE LESS TOKENS, ANTHROPIC GETS MORE MONEY! You are blindly pattern matching to "corporation bad!" without actually considering the underlying structure of the situation. I believe there's a phrase for this to do with probabilistic avians?

maplethorpe 8mo ago
What if I use zero tokens, as I'm currently doing? Do they get any money then?
eaglelamp 8mo ago
As an investor in Anthropic which pricing strategy would you support? That's the question you need to ask, not what there current pricing strategy in the win the market phase happens to be.
- materielle 8mo ago
  It’s sort of surprising how naive developers still are given the countless rug pulls over the past decade or two. You’re right on the money: the important thing to look at are the incentive structures. Basically all tech companies from the post-great financial crisis expansion (Google, post Balmer Microsoft, Twitter, Instagram, Airbnb, Uber, etc) started off user-friendly but all eventually converged towards their investment incentive structure. One big exception is Wikipedia. Not surprising since it has a completely different funding model! I’m sure Anthropic is super user friendly now, while they are focused on expansion and founding devs still have concentrated policial sway. It will eventually converge on its incentive structures to extract profit for shareholders like all other companies.
scuff3d 8mo ago
The Max plan has usage limits, and you can buy more... Which is exactly what I'm talking about... And the incentive is even strong for the lower tiers. They want answers to be just good enough to keep you using it, but bad enough that you're pushed towards buying the higher tier.
- mikkupikku 8mo ago
  Have you actually used a max plan? You have to try really damn hard to get close to the max plan usage. I don't think that's something that realistically happens by accident, you have to be deliberately spawning a huge number of subagents or something.
  - philipwhiuk 8mo ago
    Isn't this why OpenAI just hired the OpenClawd guy? To encourage people to build more agents?
otikik 8mo ago
We are on the pre-enshittification phase.

by ctoth 8mo ago

maplethorpe 8mo ago

What if I use zero tokens, as I'm currently doing? Do they get any money then?

eaglelamp 8mo ago

As an investor in Anthropic which pricing strategy would you support? That's the question you need to ask, not what there current pricing strategy in the win the market phase happens to be.

materielle 8mo ago
It’s sort of surprising how naive developers still are given the countless rug pulls over the past decade or two. You’re right on the money: the important thing to look at are the incentive structures. Basically all tech companies from the post-great financial crisis expansion (Google, post Balmer Microsoft, Twitter, Instagram, Airbnb, Uber, etc) started off user-friendly but all eventually converged towards their investment incentive structure. One big exception is Wikipedia. Not surprising since it has a completely different funding model! I’m sure Anthropic is super user friendly now, while they are focused on expansion and founding devs still have concentrated policial sway. It will eventually converge on its incentive structures to extract profit for shareholders like all other companies.

scuff3d 8mo ago

The Max plan has usage limits, and you can buy more... Which is exactly what I'm talking about... And the incentive is even strong for the lower tiers. They want answers to be just good enough to keep you using it, but bad enough that you're pushed towards buying the higher tier.

mikkupikku 8mo ago
Have you actually used a max plan? You have to try really damn hard to get close to the max plan usage. I don't think that's something that realistically happens by accident, you have to be deliberately spawning a huge number of subagents or something.
- philipwhiuk 8mo ago
  Isn't this why OpenAI just hired the OpenClawd guy? To encourage people to build more agents?

otikik 8mo ago

We are on the pre-enshittification phase.