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>but it is also possible to live in more harmonious relation between the head, heart, and gut — all the intelligence centers. Aren't those the supposed locatio

>but it is also possible to live in more harmonious relation between the head, heart, and gut — all the intelligence centers. Aren't those the supposed locations of the "chakras"?

bitwize 8mo ago
Gurdjieff was literally, physically correct: we are three-brained beings.
- SoleilAbsolu 8mo ago
  I'm in the middle of reading "All and Everything" and had the exact same thought!
  - baxtr 8mo ago
    Link?
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cjameskeller 8mo ago
Sort of, but it generally goes more like: base/perineum, genitals, navel, heart, throat, forehead, and then one at the top of the head or just above. The Sefer Yetzirah, however, references specifically "Head, Belly, and Chest" as the three loci of the human body. (§ 3.4-5)
- hinkley 8mo ago
  There's a healthy debate about whether the dantien is below the navel being mistranslated as near the pubic bone versus three inches toward your spine, either in your viscera or in the lowest layers of muscle in your abdominal wall.
  - andsoitis 8mo ago
    If it is real and people experience it, how is it a mystery where it is located?
    - hinkley 8mo ago
      We don’t know if we are experiencing the same thing. Ultimately, muscle guarding can be bad for your health. I can only agree that I’ve experienced muscle unlocking, and the visualizations associated with that concept definitely facilitated that. I can’t say much beyond that. But I’m sure I could find you people who would happily jump to conclusions.
hinkley 8mo ago
I don't know about chakras, but 'Chi' followed imaginary conduits through the connective tissue that... turned out actually there are conduits through connective tissue for lymph to move. They're just really really tricky to image so we didn't know about them until about ten years ago. I took a Yoga class years ago (my tight wrists made it very unpleasant) and on the last day of class the instructor pulled out some obscure stuff and had us do some energy work, which I was sure was going to be complete bollocks. And about five minutes before the end of the class I experienced feelings that were identical to Flow state (that slightly buzzy feeling when you're in the grove and just crushing a task.) I recall thinking, "Oh this is potentially addictive. I'm glad this is the last class." I'm betting that 10-20% of the mysticism stuff eventually turns out to be true and the rest is speculation built on top of correlation with those objectively true bits. Science eventually gets around to studying coincidences. Medicine tends to be more arrogant and dismissive of anything they can't measure, for far longer than is strictly healthy.
- Tade0 8mo ago
  > Medicine tends to be more arrogant and dismissive of anything they can't measure, for far longer than is strictly healthy. There's good reason for that. A huge part of such stuff eventually turns out to be dangerous horseshit.
  - hinkley 8mo ago
    I know an awful lot of people that have been diagnosed with diseases that they were told as recently as ten years ago, do not exist. If it was one disease, I’d be more sympathetic, but it’s more than half a dozen. The difference between god and a doctor is God doesn’t think he’s a doctor.
    - Tade0 8mo ago
      I knew a person who died because they believed in dangerous horseshit. In the same town, another person died from a different type of dangerous horseshit - specifically the kambo ritual. In terms of methods dangerous horseshit outnumbers actual medical practice 10:1 at least. How do you know which one works? The latter at the very least is tested for safety and efficacy.
egypturnash 8mo ago
From top to bottom: crown of head center of forehead ("third eye) throat heart solar plexus belly bottom of ass/below feet, depending on if your magical tradition prefers to work seated or standing
anthk 8mo ago
Gut feelings about bad things are older than dirt. Your brain already noticed something odd and dangerous about the environment, yet your eyes/ears didn't. Maybe some predator related smells, or the hormones from a potential aggresor. Or nearby people having fears...

>but it is also possible to live in more harmonious relation between the head, heart, and gut — all the intelligence centers. Aren't those the supposed locations of the "chakras"?

bitwize 8mo ago

Gurdjieff was literally, physically correct: we are three-brained beings.

SoleilAbsolu 8mo ago
I'm in the middle of reading "All and Everything" and had the exact same thought!
- baxtr 8mo ago
  Link?
deleted 8mo ago
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cjameskeller 8mo ago

Sort of, but it generally goes more like: base/perineum, genitals, navel, heart, throat, forehead, and then one at the top of the head or just above. The Sefer Yetzirah, however, references specifically "Head, Belly, and Chest" as the three loci of the human body. (§ 3.4-5)

hinkley 8mo ago
There's a healthy debate about whether the dantien is below the navel being mistranslated as near the pubic bone versus three inches toward your spine, either in your viscera or in the lowest layers of muscle in your abdominal wall.
- andsoitis 8mo ago
  If it is real and people experience it, how is it a mystery where it is located?
  - hinkley 8mo ago
    We don’t know if we are experiencing the same thing. Ultimately, muscle guarding can be bad for your health. I can only agree that I’ve experienced muscle unlocking, and the visualizations associated with that concept definitely facilitated that. I can’t say much beyond that. But I’m sure I could find you people who would happily jump to conclusions.

hinkley 8mo ago

I don't know about chakras, but 'Chi' followed imaginary conduits through the connective tissue that... turned out actually there are conduits through connective tissue for lymph to move. They're just really really tricky to image so we didn't know about them until about ten years ago. I took a Yoga class years ago (my tight wrists made it very unpleasant) and on the last day of class the instructor pulled out some obscure stuff and had us do some energy work, which I was sure was going to be complete bollocks. And about five minutes before the end of the class I experienced feelings that were identical to Flow state (that slightly buzzy feeling when you're in the grove and just crushing a task.) I recall thinking, "Oh this is potentially addictive. I'm glad this is the last class." I'm betting that 10-20% of the mysticism stuff eventually turns out to be true and the rest is speculation built on top of correlation with those objectively true bits. Science eventually gets around to studying coincidences. Medicine tends to be more arrogant and dismissive of anything they can't measure, for far longer than is strictly healthy.

Tade0 8mo ago
> Medicine tends to be more arrogant and dismissive of anything they can't measure, for far longer than is strictly healthy. There's good reason for that. A huge part of such stuff eventually turns out to be dangerous horseshit.
- hinkley 8mo ago
  I know an awful lot of people that have been diagnosed with diseases that they were told as recently as ten years ago, do not exist. If it was one disease, I’d be more sympathetic, but it’s more than half a dozen. The difference between god and a doctor is God doesn’t think he’s a doctor.
  - Tade0 8mo ago
    I knew a person who died because they believed in dangerous horseshit. In the same town, another person died from a different type of dangerous horseshit - specifically the kambo ritual. In terms of methods dangerous horseshit outnumbers actual medical practice 10:1 at least. How do you know which one works? The latter at the very least is tested for safety and efficacy.

egypturnash 8mo ago

From top to bottom: crown of head center of forehead ("third eye) throat heart solar plexus belly bottom of ass/below feet, depending on if your magical tradition prefers to work seated or standing

anthk 8mo ago

Gut feelings about bad things are older than dirt. Your brain already noticed something odd and dangerous about the environment, yet your eyes/ears didn't. Maybe some predator related smells, or the hormones from a potential aggresor. Or nearby people having fears...