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If it's using an LLM it'll make stuff up... about people and sex trafficking.

dvrp 8mo ago
It links to the original documents released by the DOJ. Also, just like LLMs hallucinate and it's up to the person to decide to commit the code into the repo (and they should be held accountable to that), the same applies to people who use this tool to release fake news. Of course, we try to apply as many "ground-truthing" techniques as possible. Journalists of all kinds are using Jmail already for their professional work and we are in touch with them when they give us feedback. For example, we've redacted victim's names that we would've not known except for the work of tons of volunteers and journalists—and yes, this was NOT redacted by the DOJ and should have. But ofc, this is a thorny trade-off between victim protection and censorship. Disclaimer: I actively work on jmailarchive!
- cj 8mo ago
  I think that’s a valid stance to take. IMO it’s (unfortunately) the public’s responsibility to learn the lesson that LLM’s shouldn’t be trusted without double checking the source — same position Wikipedia was in 10 years ago. “Don’t use Wikipedia because it has incorrect information” used to be a major concern, but that seems to have faded away now that Wikipedia has found its place and people understand how to use it. I think a similar thing will happen with LLM’s. That opinion does not take the responsibility away from LLMs to continue working on educating people and reducing hallucinations. I like to think of it as equal responsibility between the LLM provider and user. Like driving a car - the most advanced safety system won’t prevent a bad driver from crashing.
  - dvrp 8mo ago
    We also are working on crowdsourcing methods, but it's hard because almost everyone involved in the development of this project is a volunteer that either works for a company already or is a startup founder (me)... so is very tricky to find time. Also, feel free to check Jwiki (FKA Jikipedia) at https://jmail.world/wiki https://jmail.world/wiki
- krainboltgreene 8mo ago
  They're using jmail because it's source material. An LLM by definition is not source material. I can't believe you're openly saying this.
gruez 8mo ago
You don't really need a LLM for that. The discourse around the files is filled with allegations/implications of guilt based on spurious factors like number of mentions.
- krainboltgreene 8mo ago
  Yeah but that's fucking twitter and reddit, this is supposed to be a verifiable source.
belter 8mo ago
LLMs could never hallucinate anything as shocking as the current reality...
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NickC25 8mo ago
Well, considering the nature of all this...if there's anything to hasten full unredacted disclosure, we should absolutely encourage that.
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dvrp 8mo ago

It links to the original documents released by the DOJ. Also, just like LLMs hallucinate and it's up to the person to decide to commit the code into the repo (and they should be held accountable to that), the same applies to people who use this tool to release fake news. Of course, we try to apply as many "ground-truthing" techniques as possible. Journalists of all kinds are using Jmail already for their professional work and we are in touch with them when they give us feedback. For example, we've redacted victim's names that we would've not known except for the work of tons of volunteers and journalists—and yes, this was NOT redacted by the DOJ and should have. But ofc, this is a thorny trade-off between victim protection and censorship. Disclaimer: I actively work on jmailarchive!

cj 8mo ago
I think that’s a valid stance to take. IMO it’s (unfortunately) the public’s responsibility to learn the lesson that LLM’s shouldn’t be trusted without double checking the source — same position Wikipedia was in 10 years ago. “Don’t use Wikipedia because it has incorrect information” used to be a major concern, but that seems to have faded away now that Wikipedia has found its place and people understand how to use it. I think a similar thing will happen with LLM’s. That opinion does not take the responsibility away from LLMs to continue working on educating people and reducing hallucinations. I like to think of it as equal responsibility between the LLM provider and user. Like driving a car - the most advanced safety system won’t prevent a bad driver from crashing.
- dvrp 8mo ago
  We also are working on crowdsourcing methods, but it's hard because almost everyone involved in the development of this project is a volunteer that either works for a company already or is a startup founder (me)... so is very tricky to find time. Also, feel free to check Jwiki (FKA Jikipedia) at https://jmail.world/wiki https://jmail.world/wiki
krainboltgreene 8mo ago
They're using jmail because it's source material. An LLM by definition is not source material. I can't believe you're openly saying this.

gruez 8mo ago

You don't really need a LLM for that. The discourse around the files is filled with allegations/implications of guilt based on spurious factors like number of mentions.

krainboltgreene 8mo ago
Yeah but that's fucking twitter and reddit, this is supposed to be a verifiable source.

belter 8mo ago

LLMs could never hallucinate anything as shocking as the current reality...

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NickC25 8mo ago

Well, considering the nature of all this...if there's anything to hasten full unredacted disclosure, we should absolutely encourage that.

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