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> The conservative base is unfriendly to foreigners and foreign cultures, and claims to prefer American-made goods and services, but will immediately guillotine

> The conservative base is unfriendly to foreigners and foreign cultures, and claims to prefer American-made goods and services, but will immediately guillotine any internal party member who causes consumer prices to raise substantially--which they would have to do in order to support American workers creating products rather than our offshored counterparts. Currently, the head of the party is raising and lowering tariffs at will, so I don't quite think this holds anymore.

wat10000 9mo ago
He is able to do so only to the extent that he can convince them that prices aren't rising, or he's not causing it.
- lenerdenator 9mo ago
  He's able to do that.
  - wat10000 9mo ago
    For now. It remains to be seen how long it will last.
    - lenerdenator 9mo ago
      It's been over a decade. He's been impeached twice, lost an election once - and it sounds like the lesson he took from that is "get rid of elections" - been convicted on thirty-four felony counts, charged with even more, mismanaged a pandemic, "shot at", wiped his ass with a number of strategic alliances, sent thugs out on America's streets to harass people for being Latino, and been linked to a cabal of child-trafficking sex offenders. A few hundred bucks a year ain't gonna move the needle at this point.
apawloski 9mo ago
Agree. It is harder to manufacture in America when the party leader breaks critical parts of your supply chain with rapid and unpredictable tariff changes. It is impossible to lower consumer prices on a good by raising taxes on it. This is not even mentioning the astounding corruption of a president and his family personally and directly benefiting from these tariffs threats. Does the party not understand the realities of this? Do they understand and are just lying about it because they're afraid of the leader? Afraid of admitting that they're wrong? I believe people are usually rational but I do not understand a rationalization where choosing to harm American manufacturers and consumers on the whims of a visibly corrupt leader is good, actually.
- c22 9mo ago
  I think there are a lot of people who recognize these changes as not very durable and don't see an immediate political benefit to opposing them right now.
  - lenerdenator 9mo ago
    Why wouldn't these changes be durable? We're a product of a very, very strange time and place in history where the average person had at least some recourse against tyrants. From prehistory to about the mid-point of the 20th century, if you were alive on planet Earth, there's a near guarantee that you lived life basically as a possession of some person or family who controlled where you lived, where you could go, what clothes you wore, what work you could do, whether or not you would be educated, who you would marry, if you would have children, which god (if any) you could worship, what you could say, and even whether you lived or died. That was your existence. This whole thing where you have some control over your destiny? That's the fragile set of changes. Someone behaving like Trump is historically insanely durable.
  - apawloski 9mo ago
    Can you clarify what you mean by "not very durable?"
    - 9mo ago

wat10000 9mo ago

He is able to do so only to the extent that he can convince them that prices aren't rising, or he's not causing it.

lenerdenator 9mo ago
He's able to do that.
- wat10000 9mo ago
  For now. It remains to be seen how long it will last.
  - lenerdenator 9mo ago
    It's been over a decade. He's been impeached twice, lost an election once - and it sounds like the lesson he took from that is "get rid of elections" - been convicted on thirty-four felony counts, charged with even more, mismanaged a pandemic, "shot at", wiped his ass with a number of strategic alliances, sent thugs out on America's streets to harass people for being Latino, and been linked to a cabal of child-trafficking sex offenders. A few hundred bucks a year ain't gonna move the needle at this point.

apawloski 9mo ago

Agree. It is harder to manufacture in America when the party leader breaks critical parts of your supply chain with rapid and unpredictable tariff changes. It is impossible to lower consumer prices on a good by raising taxes on it. This is not even mentioning the astounding corruption of a president and his family personally and directly benefiting from these tariffs threats. Does the party not understand the realities of this? Do they understand and are just lying about it because they're afraid of the leader? Afraid of admitting that they're wrong? I believe people are usually rational but I do not understand a rationalization where choosing to harm American manufacturers and consumers on the whims of a visibly corrupt leader is good, actually.

c22 9mo ago
I think there are a lot of people who recognize these changes as not very durable and don't see an immediate political benefit to opposing them right now.
- lenerdenator 9mo ago
  Why wouldn't these changes be durable? We're a product of a very, very strange time and place in history where the average person had at least some recourse against tyrants. From prehistory to about the mid-point of the 20th century, if you were alive on planet Earth, there's a near guarantee that you lived life basically as a possession of some person or family who controlled where you lived, where you could go, what clothes you wore, what work you could do, whether or not you would be educated, who you would marry, if you would have children, which god (if any) you could worship, what you could say, and even whether you lived or died. That was your existence. This whole thing where you have some control over your destiny? That's the fragile set of changes. Someone behaving like Trump is historically insanely durable.
- apawloski 9mo ago
  Can you clarify what you mean by "not very durable?"
  - 9mo ago