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AI is scary, but look on the bright side: Whenever there is a massive paradigm shift in technology like we have with AI today, there are absolutely massive, de

AI is scary, but look on the bright side: Whenever there is a massive paradigm shift in technology like we have with AI today, there are absolutely massive, devastating wars because the existing strategic stalemates are broken. Industrialized precision manufacturing? Now we have to figure out who can make the most rifles and machine guns. Industrialized manufacturing of high explosives? Time to have a whole world war about it. Industrialized manufacturing of electronics? Time for another world war. Industrialized manufacturing of intelligence will certainly lead to a global scale conflict to see if anyone can win formerly unwinnable fights. Thus the concerns about whether you have a job or not will, in hindsight, seem trivial as we transition to fighting for our very survival.

verdverm 8mo ago
Where were the massive devastating wars last time this happened with the internet and mobile phone?
- squibonpig 8mo ago
  Yeah this was my thought as well
- tgv 8mo ago
  You could say that it waged a silent war, and our kids' attention spans lost.
- cvwright 8mo ago
  Very likely they got the causality backwards. Every time there’s a big war, technology advances because governments pour resources into it.
- prewett 8mo ago
  Just for the sake of argument, I don't think the internet and mobile phones are military technologies, nor to GP use those examples. > Industrialized manufacturing of electronics? Ukraine seems to be exploring this and rewriting military doctrine. The Iranian drones the Russians are using seem to be effective, too. The US has drones, too, and we've discovered that drone bombing is not helpful with insurgencies; we haven't been in any actual wars for a while, though. > Industrialized manufacturing of intelligence I don't think we've gotten far enough to discover how/if this is effective. If GP means AI, then we have no idea. If GP means fake news via social media, then we may already be seeing the beginning effects. Both Obama and Trump had a lot of their support from the social media. Having written this, I think I flatly disagree with GP that technology causes wars because of its power. I think it may enable some wars because of its power differential, but I think a lot is discovered through war. WWI discovered the limitations of industrial warfare, also of chemical weapons. Ukraine is showing what constellations of mini drones (as opposed to the US' solitary maxi-drones) can do, simply because they are outnumbered and forced to get creative.
  - vpribish 8mo ago
    how do you not think the internet is a military technology? i mean (waves hands) like it's from ARPA, the military paid for it, it integrated cold war air defence, it made global comms resilient to attack, and made information non-local on a massive scale GP's assertion about tech revolutions making wars doesn't make any sense to me on any level, but it's not just because the latest revolutions were 'not military tech' i'm liking william spaniel's model : wars happen when 1 - there is a substantial disagreement between parties and 2 - there is a bargaining friction that prevents reaching a less-costly negotiated resolution. I don't see how a technical revolution necessarily causes either, much less both, of those conditions. there sure is a lot of fear and hype going around - and that causes confusion and maybe poor decisions - but we should chill on the apocalyptics
  - verdverm 8mo ago
    I think a peer comment said it best, the commenter has causality backwards It seems you may be extending this If you don't think internet is a vital tech on the front line drone war, I would invite you to watch Perun's recent video on Starlink
- mullingitover 8mo ago
  The internet and mobile phones weren't paradigm shifts for warfare. There were already mobile radios in WWII, so they fall under the 'industrialized manufacturing of electronics' bucket.
  - verdverm 8mo ago
    You might look at what Ukraine is doing with mobile phones, satellite internet, and now Ai Drones change everything we think we know about warfare, except for adage that logistics is what wins wars (post industrialization)
- ponector 8mo ago
  There were no massive devastative wars back then simply because people who went through WW2 were still alive and kept political power. Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times. Some people say ww3 had already started.
  - big_paps 8mo ago
    Germany also went through hell in WW1. Hitler himself fought and was wounded. But still he was not a pacifistic politician.
- NoGravitas 8mo ago
  Yugoslav civil war and Bosnian genocide. Rwandan civil war and Tutsi genocide. US invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Syrian civil war and Yazidi genocide. Russian invasion of Ukraine. Ongoing genocide in Palestine suddenly becoming more intense in Gaza. Future generations will call this ongoing conflict starting in the 90s the Eugenics Wars.
Havoc 8mo ago
To me global rise of full blown authoritarianism in every corner seems more plausible than a shooting war. The tech is very well suited for controlling people - both in the monitoring sense and destroying their ability to tell what’s really. ie new stalemate in the form of multiple inward focused countries/blocs
- BlackjackCF 8mo ago
  That was already happening without LLMs. LLMs will just make it worse.
- goda90 8mo ago
  "We've always been at war with Eurasia"
  - Havoc 8mo ago
    Bingo
- recursivecaveat 8mo ago
  Yeah LLMs complete the surveillance state. It adds the patience to monitor, analyze, de-anonymize all the data. The industrial revolution and its wealth temporarily disrupted civilization, but we're regressing to the normal state of global authoritarianism again.
atemerev 8mo ago
I am absolutely sure that WW3 is inevitable, for these exact reasons. Later, the survivors will be free to reorganize the society.
- SoftTalker 8mo ago
  Nature likes to do occasional resets. Probably explains the Fermi paradox as well.
  - atemerev 8mo ago
    All our human history is a tiny speck on astronomical timescales. The timescale of life itself, on the other hand, is quite significant. Just from this we can somewhat deduce that life might be common in the universe, but sentience might be rare.
- NoGravitas 8mo ago
  ¡Viva Posadas!
RHSeeger 8mo ago
> the existing strategic stalemates are broken Claude, go hack <my enemy nation-state> and find me ways to cause them harm that are unlikely be noticed until it is too late for them to act on it.

verdverm 8mo ago

Where were the massive devastating wars last time this happened with the internet and mobile phone?

squibonpig 8mo ago
Yeah this was my thought as well
tgv 8mo ago
You could say that it waged a silent war, and our kids' attention spans lost.
cvwright 8mo ago
Very likely they got the causality backwards. Every time there’s a big war, technology advances because governments pour resources into it.
prewett 8mo ago
Just for the sake of argument, I don't think the internet and mobile phones are military technologies, nor to GP use those examples. > Industrialized manufacturing of electronics? Ukraine seems to be exploring this and rewriting military doctrine. The Iranian drones the Russians are using seem to be effective, too. The US has drones, too, and we've discovered that drone bombing is not helpful with insurgencies; we haven't been in any actual wars for a while, though. > Industrialized manufacturing of intelligence I don't think we've gotten far enough to discover how/if this is effective. If GP means AI, then we have no idea. If GP means fake news via social media, then we may already be seeing the beginning effects. Both Obama and Trump had a lot of their support from the social media. Having written this, I think I flatly disagree with GP that technology causes wars because of its power. I think it may enable some wars because of its power differential, but I think a lot is discovered through war. WWI discovered the limitations of industrial warfare, also of chemical weapons. Ukraine is showing what constellations of mini drones (as opposed to the US' solitary maxi-drones) can do, simply because they are outnumbered and forced to get creative.
- vpribish 8mo ago
  how do you not think the internet is a military technology? i mean (waves hands) like it's from ARPA, the military paid for it, it integrated cold war air defence, it made global comms resilient to attack, and made information non-local on a massive scale GP's assertion about tech revolutions making wars doesn't make any sense to me on any level, but it's not just because the latest revolutions were 'not military tech' i'm liking william spaniel's model : wars happen when 1 - there is a substantial disagreement between parties and 2 - there is a bargaining friction that prevents reaching a less-costly negotiated resolution. I don't see how a technical revolution necessarily causes either, much less both, of those conditions. there sure is a lot of fear and hype going around - and that causes confusion and maybe poor decisions - but we should chill on the apocalyptics
- verdverm 8mo ago
  I think a peer comment said it best, the commenter has causality backwards It seems you may be extending this If you don't think internet is a vital tech on the front line drone war, I would invite you to watch Perun's recent video on Starlink
mullingitover 8mo ago
The internet and mobile phones weren't paradigm shifts for warfare. There were already mobile radios in WWII, so they fall under the 'industrialized manufacturing of electronics' bucket.
- verdverm 8mo ago
  You might look at what Ukraine is doing with mobile phones, satellite internet, and now Ai Drones change everything we think we know about warfare, except for adage that logistics is what wins wars (post industrialization)
ponector 8mo ago
There were no massive devastative wars back then simply because people who went through WW2 were still alive and kept political power. Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times. Some people say ww3 had already started.
- big_paps 8mo ago
  Germany also went through hell in WW1. Hitler himself fought and was wounded. But still he was not a pacifistic politician.
NoGravitas 8mo ago
Yugoslav civil war and Bosnian genocide. Rwandan civil war and Tutsi genocide. US invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Syrian civil war and Yazidi genocide. Russian invasion of Ukraine. Ongoing genocide in Palestine suddenly becoming more intense in Gaza. Future generations will call this ongoing conflict starting in the 90s the Eugenics Wars.

Havoc 8mo ago

To me global rise of full blown authoritarianism in every corner seems more plausible than a shooting war. The tech is very well suited for controlling people - both in the monitoring sense and destroying their ability to tell what’s really. ie new stalemate in the form of multiple inward focused countries/blocs

BlackjackCF 8mo ago
That was already happening without LLMs. LLMs will just make it worse.
goda90 8mo ago
"We've always been at war with Eurasia"
- Havoc 8mo ago
  Bingo
recursivecaveat 8mo ago
Yeah LLMs complete the surveillance state. It adds the patience to monitor, analyze, de-anonymize all the data. The industrial revolution and its wealth temporarily disrupted civilization, but we're regressing to the normal state of global authoritarianism again.

atemerev 8mo ago

I am absolutely sure that WW3 is inevitable, for these exact reasons. Later, the survivors will be free to reorganize the society.

SoftTalker 8mo ago
Nature likes to do occasional resets. Probably explains the Fermi paradox as well.
- atemerev 8mo ago
  All our human history is a tiny speck on astronomical timescales. The timescale of life itself, on the other hand, is quite significant. Just from this we can somewhat deduce that life might be common in the universe, but sentience might be rare.
NoGravitas 8mo ago
¡Viva Posadas!

RHSeeger 8mo ago

> the existing strategic stalemates are broken Claude, go hack <my enemy nation-state> and find me ways to cause them harm that are unlikely be noticed until it is too late for them to act on it.