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He is also linked to ycombinator which owns hacker news. If we are that reductionist, would you say that hacker news sends data to Palantir.

shigawire 8mo ago
Probably does
dylan604 8mo ago
Why would you think it doesn't?
harimau777 8mo ago
One big difference is that Discord literally told people they were going to be using their data for a Theil backed experiment. That's a lot different than the possibility that a company might send your data. That being said, no, it wouldn't particularly surprise me if Y Combinator sends data to Palantir.
- ggm 8mo ago
  > That being said, no, it wouldn't particularly surprise me if Y Combinator sends data to Palantir. A point I hadn't thought of before. A denial at this point wouldn't mean much because with the API and some sensible pacing anyone can access the information. "Sends" is active. "Is scraped by" is the assumed passive.
- giancarlostoro 8mo ago
  > One big difference is that Discord literally told people they were going to be using their data for a Theil backed experiment. You got a source for that? Because the only communication I've seen from Discord implies no data is sent when these scans take place, its supposed to all take place locally FIRST is my understanding. The only exception is if the local scan goofs in some way. https://discord.com/press-releases/discord-launches-teen-by-default-settings-globally https://discord.com/press-releases/discord-launches-teen-by-... > Key privacy protections of Discord’s age-assurance approach include: > On-device processing: Video selfies for facial age estimation never leave a user’s device. > Quick deletion: Identity documents submitted to our vendor partners are deleted quickly— in most cases, immediately after age confirmation. > Straightforward age assurance: In most cases, users complete the process once and their Discord experience adapts to their verified age group. Users may be asked to use multiple methods only when more information is needed to assign an age group. > Private status: A user’s age group status cannot be seen by other users.
  - mirashii 8mo ago
    > You got a source for that? Because the only communication I've seen from Discord implies no data is sent when these scans take place, its supposed to all take place locally FIRST is my understanding. > The only exception is if the local scan goofs in some way. Basically this, if it fails or if you wish to escalate past that, then there's a path that would hit Persona (or, would have, they've since ended their relationship with Persona. Previously, you'd open a ticket in Zendesk, which is where data was breached from before). https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/30326565624343-How-to-Complete-Age-Assurance-on-Discord https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/30326565624343...
    - giancarlostoro 8mo ago
      Fair enough, thank you! I was so confused, I'm trying to follow the story.
  - rezonant 8mo ago
    I don't think people are nearly as concerned about their selfie as they are for the security of their identifying documents, which Discord has already screwed up in securing once during this fiasco.
user_7832 8mo ago
Well, the privacy darling Flock was from the YC 2017 summer batch, so I think it's already known what VCs think about ethics if it can make good money. Hint, it's optional. (And while I'm not saying for eg PG is personally an anti privacy guy, it's impossible not to hold YC leadership accountable for aiding these cos, or at least looking away.)
sumeno 8mo ago
I would say that HN's data is public so if Palantir wants it they already have it, unlike identifying documents collected by discord that connect discord identities to real identities.
- YetAnotherNick 8mo ago
  Can I get every user's IP address and the login times publicly? Can I run fingerprinting code for the users?
  - cluckindan 8mo ago
    Sure, just post something front page worthy, or get your minions to push your data collection endpoint there.
gr4vityWall 8mo ago
I'm not a LLM, but you're absolutely right. That conclusion is sound.
rune-dev 8mo ago
This sites ties to Thiel and people like him are problematic yes. However, HN isn’t asking for our ids yet.
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AngryData 8mo ago
Well it doesn't have to send much since 99% of information is already public. But I still would not doubt it for a second, there is no reason to think otherwise. There is no benefit to not sending them data and no downside to sending it.
ksec 8mo ago
For nearly 8 years YC would't even mention his name in podcast or other discussions. All because of the backlash just by mentioning it.

shigawire 8mo ago

Probably does

dylan604 8mo ago

Why would you think it doesn't?

harimau777 8mo ago

One big difference is that Discord literally told people they were going to be using their data for a Theil backed experiment. That's a lot different than the possibility that a company might send your data. That being said, no, it wouldn't particularly surprise me if Y Combinator sends data to Palantir.

ggm 8mo ago
> That being said, no, it wouldn't particularly surprise me if Y Combinator sends data to Palantir. A point I hadn't thought of before. A denial at this point wouldn't mean much because with the API and some sensible pacing anyone can access the information. "Sends" is active. "Is scraped by" is the assumed passive.
giancarlostoro 8mo ago
> One big difference is that Discord literally told people they were going to be using their data for a Theil backed experiment. You got a source for that? Because the only communication I've seen from Discord implies no data is sent when these scans take place, its supposed to all take place locally FIRST is my understanding. The only exception is if the local scan goofs in some way. https://discord.com/press-releases/discord-launches-teen-by-default-settings-globally https://discord.com/press-releases/discord-launches-teen-by-... > Key privacy protections of Discord’s age-assurance approach include: > On-device processing: Video selfies for facial age estimation never leave a user’s device. > Quick deletion: Identity documents submitted to our vendor partners are deleted quickly— in most cases, immediately after age confirmation. > Straightforward age assurance: In most cases, users complete the process once and their Discord experience adapts to their verified age group. Users may be asked to use multiple methods only when more information is needed to assign an age group. > Private status: A user’s age group status cannot be seen by other users.
- mirashii 8mo ago
  > You got a source for that? Because the only communication I've seen from Discord implies no data is sent when these scans take place, its supposed to all take place locally FIRST is my understanding. > The only exception is if the local scan goofs in some way. Basically this, if it fails or if you wish to escalate past that, then there's a path that would hit Persona (or, would have, they've since ended their relationship with Persona. Previously, you'd open a ticket in Zendesk, which is where data was breached from before). https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/30326565624343-How-to-Complete-Age-Assurance-on-Discord https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/30326565624343...
  - giancarlostoro 8mo ago
    Fair enough, thank you! I was so confused, I'm trying to follow the story.
- rezonant 8mo ago
  I don't think people are nearly as concerned about their selfie as they are for the security of their identifying documents, which Discord has already screwed up in securing once during this fiasco.

user_7832 8mo ago

Well, the privacy darling Flock was from the YC 2017 summer batch, so I think it's already known what VCs think about ethics if it can make good money. Hint, it's optional. (And while I'm not saying for eg PG is personally an anti privacy guy, it's impossible not to hold YC leadership accountable for aiding these cos, or at least looking away.)

sumeno 8mo ago

I would say that HN's data is public so if Palantir wants it they already have it, unlike identifying documents collected by discord that connect discord identities to real identities.

YetAnotherNick 8mo ago
Can I get every user's IP address and the login times publicly? Can I run fingerprinting code for the users?
- cluckindan 8mo ago
  Sure, just post something front page worthy, or get your minions to push your data collection endpoint there.

gr4vityWall 8mo ago

I'm not a LLM, but you're absolutely right. That conclusion is sound.

rune-dev 8mo ago

This sites ties to Thiel and people like him are problematic yes. However, HN isn’t asking for our ids yet.

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AngryData 8mo ago

Well it doesn't have to send much since 99% of information is already public. But I still would not doubt it for a second, there is no reason to think otherwise. There is no benefit to not sending them data and no downside to sending it.

ksec 8mo ago

For nearly 8 years YC would't even mention his name in podcast or other discussions. All because of the backlash just by mentioning it.