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Telegram is almost on the opposite end of the spectrum of Matrix & Signal so I wouldn’t really consider it an alternative.

pavel_lishin 8mo ago
How so? I genuinely don't know, despite casually using both.
- zadikian 8mo ago
  Opposite end in terms of security. Telegram group chats have no E2EE, private messages aren't E2EE by default (you have to initiate it as a "secret" chat), and the encryption itself is home rolled.
  - Insanity 8mo ago
    Yup exactly, their home rolled encryption is problematic in and of itself, but the fact that it lacks E2EE means you shouldn’t even trust it in the first place.
  - akho 8mo ago
    Also opposite in terms of feature-richness.
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    - zadikian 8mo ago
      Yep
  - veverkap 8mo ago
    They do publish https://telegram.org/blog/tdlib https://telegram.org/blog/tdlib so couldn't a client author just do shared key encryption or something?
- mogoh 8mo ago
  It also contains scam advertisement by now.
justsomehnguy 8mo ago
It,s quite clear what you never used it. UX wise it's one of the best clients and probably in the top 3 network-wise.
- katdork 8mo ago
  It's deeply insecure in most of the ways it is used.
  - gzread 8mo ago
    But people don't care about security, that is obvious, they only care about UX
    - simon666 8mo ago
      "only" is probably too strong here. But certainly UI/UX gets more weight in the decision making. Nevertheless, people often do things simply because other people are doing them (fad, fashion, in-group signalling) so just showing that enough people of the right stripe are doing it is often enough for a switch---I'm setting aside cases of making a switch then switching back.
- Insanity 8mo ago
  I should have been clearer in my initial post, but I was referring to the security issues with telegram rather than the UI.
Klonoar 8mo ago
Their text explicitly acknowledges and waives away the security concerns for themselves.

pavel_lishin 8mo ago

How so? I genuinely don't know, despite casually using both.

zadikian 8mo ago
Opposite end in terms of security. Telegram group chats have no E2EE, private messages aren't E2EE by default (you have to initiate it as a "secret" chat), and the encryption itself is home rolled.
- Insanity 8mo ago
  Yup exactly, their home rolled encryption is problematic in and of itself, but the fact that it lacks E2EE means you shouldn’t even trust it in the first place.
- akho 8mo ago
  Also opposite in terms of feature-richness.
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  - zadikian 8mo ago
    Yep
- veverkap 8mo ago
  They do publish https://telegram.org/blog/tdlib https://telegram.org/blog/tdlib so couldn't a client author just do shared key encryption or something?
mogoh 8mo ago
It also contains scam advertisement by now.

justsomehnguy 8mo ago

It,s quite clear what you never used it. UX wise it's one of the best clients and probably in the top 3 network-wise.

katdork 8mo ago
It's deeply insecure in most of the ways it is used.
- gzread 8mo ago
  But people don't care about security, that is obvious, they only care about UX
  - simon666 8mo ago
    "only" is probably too strong here. But certainly UI/UX gets more weight in the decision making. Nevertheless, people often do things simply because other people are doing them (fad, fashion, in-group signalling) so just showing that enough people of the right stripe are doing it is often enough for a switch---I'm setting aside cases of making a switch then switching back.
Insanity 8mo ago
I should have been clearer in my initial post, but I was referring to the security issues with telegram rather than the UI.

Klonoar 8mo ago

Their text explicitly acknowledges and waives away the security concerns for themselves.