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This is Google’s Nexus 10 by Samsung With Android 4.2

40 points by co_pl_te 14y ago

somesaba 14y ago
From the article: 10.1-inch Super AMOLED display 2560 x 1600 pixel resolution Why can we have a 10" display w/ 1600p at a very reasonable price but I can't a get a 22" + monitor at the same resolution without shelling out over $1000 :C
- maratd 14y ago
  http://www.ebay.com/itm/CROSSOVER-27Q-LED-27-Monitor-2560X1440-High-resolution-Monitor-QHD-DVI-/320977170814?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item4abbbaf17e http://www.ebay.com/itm/CROSSOVER-27Q-LED-27-Monitor-2560X14... I'm writing this to you on one right now. I got the slightly more expensive version that swivels. 27" for $363 shipped. LG LCD panel (I opened it and confirmed). A number of dead pixels, but none in the center and they are only visible if you're 2" from the screen. At any reasonable distance, I can't make them out. If you want an immaculate, brand name, warrantied monitor ... yeah, it's 1K. If you're willing to compromise on a few things, there are other options. I imagine the disparity in availability has to do with the manufacturing technology. It's probably very difficult to make a zero-dead-pixel screen that is high resolution and very large.
  - mladenkovacevic 14y ago
    Dell's Ultrasharp monitors go on sale quite often. Here in Canada they have their top-of-the-line 27" monitor on sale for $899... and actually it was $750 a couple of days ago. http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors_Flat_Panel_Widescreen/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=224-8284&~ck=baynoteSearch&baynote_bnrank=7&baynote_irrank=0 http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors_Flat_Pa...
  - drivebyacct2 14y ago
    I unboxed that about 10 minutes ago. :) Now I have to race to Best Buy to grab a dual-link adapter.
- mtgx 14y ago
  Hopefully these high resolution tablets and phones will lower the prices of these panels and will create this trend in laptops, too.
- roc 14y ago
  Because you can make more money selling four+ tablets than one desktop monitor at sizes/resolutions that continue to have very low total sales?
- Evbn 14y ago
  For one, the nexus is pentile, so the actual vertical resolution is only 2/3 that, and upsampled. At the same resolution, bigger pixels are still harder to manufacture correctly than smaller pixels. Androd devices are subsidized.
- rorrr 14y ago
  Go on ebay and search for 2560x1440 monitor. There are tons of IPS displays under $300 of various brands - ACHIEVA Shimian, Matrix, Catleap, LG.
gdi2290 14y ago
the site crashed. it's also on droid life
- colonelxc 14y ago
  http://www.droid-life.com/2012/10/26/samsung-nexus-10-poses-for-massive-photoshoot-shows-off-android-4-2-as-well/ http://www.droid-life.com/2012/10/26/samsung-nexus-10-poses-...
lukifer 14y ago
A million more pixels than the iPad 3/4, yet it wastes a bunch of them on those stupid on-screen virtual buttons instead of differentiating with real physical buttons. Also no micro SD, and it looks like more cheap plastic, just like the Nexus 7. I really want to get on board with a modern Android tablet, but they're not making it easy.
- deleted 14y ago
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- alanctgardner2 14y ago
  Have you actually held a Nexus 7? I was surprised at how little I cared about the plastic casing. Also, physical buttons present something of a slippery slope: realistically, I'd like more buttons than the iPad. About 4 is sufficient (plus power and volume) based on other Android handsets I've owned. But trying to find a non-awkward place to put four hardware buttons would be an exercise in frustration. Especially when you support two orientations.
- aviraldg 14y ago
  Those "stupid on-screen virtual buttons" are smart * They conserve bevel space and let you have a larger screen overall. * They're only visible when you're using apps that need them. * When you're doing something which needs the whole screen, like playing video, they're hidden giving you a larger usable screen area. * Because they're implemented in software, their behaviour can be changed later and they can also be context sensitive. The non-existent microSD card is just Google's way of trying to get people to use more of their cloud based services (Drive, Play, etc) and has been a "feature" of almost all Nexus devices till date. This is one of the biggest negatives about this device. True, SAMSUNG devices feel like cheap plastic, but the same cheap plastic becomes very helpful when you drop your device: I've dropped my cheap plastic Galaxy Note several times with nary a scratch on the thing, but a friend's iPhone's cover shattered with a single drop.
  - drivebyacct2 14y ago
    What on Earth do people put on their SD cards? I use Subsonic, I give it the whole phone as a cache storage and I stream my music over 4G. Anytime I don't have internet, I have 16GB of music at my finger tips. Unless you're out of Internet range for days at a time, I don't understand the need for over 16GB of local storage. I don't know what people are talking about when they talk about build quality anymore. My Droid 1 was TOUGH. I dropped it repeatedly and it never broke and it held up for 3 years. But even when it was new, they were inconsistent. The sliding action was different, the button quality varied from one to the next, but it was heralded as tough and "feels good". On the other hand, my Galaxy Nexus has no flaws and has been dropped just as hard (I slung it out of my hand across a concrete parking lot once on accident) and has never had a case on it and is in pristine condition.
onetwothreefour 14y ago
Ugh. The bezel is very, very ugly.
- wkdown 14y ago
  A result of the Apple lawsuit, I imagine.
  - wmf 14y ago
    When Apple said Samsung could avoid infringing by making their tablet ugly, I didn't imagine Samsung would take them seriously. :-(
arrrg 14y ago
Pentile? Bleegh. Hopefully the many pixels can mask that deficiency.
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  Given the resolution, it's not going to be an issue. It isn't on the Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus10 is at a much higher pixel density.
  - robocat 14y ago
    The pentile display is a real frustration for some people on the Galaxy Nexus. It isn't for others. Even at a higher resolution for the Nexus 10 (presuming it is pentile), some people would not buy it because they will find it noticeably ugly. For it to be a problem, you need to physically be able to see the jaggies (have good eyesight, or be short-sighted, but not long-sighted), and you need to find the jaggies disturbing (plenty of people who can see them don't mind them). Personally I notice it on my Galaxy Nexus, but it doesn't particularly bother me (it did bug me on the Galaxy S). A bigger problem with the OLED displays is the slow degradation in output of the blue LEDs, leading to burn in or yellowing of the screen. Maybe they have improved the tech, but I would be worried about a device that got more use than my phone. When in landscape, my 1 year old Nexus has a white band where the soft buttons are in portrait (because the rest of the screen has burned the blue LEDs more and has yellowed compared with the unburned white. Unburned band because soft button area is usually black). Even worse is the ugly unevenness in colour for solid grey or red. And sometimes there are ghost after-images that fade within say a second. Occurs in high contrast areas because of localised heating, which when changing to an even white, the LED output is uneven due to the heating. I accept these defects as compromises for other features I want in a phone. Basically, I think it behooves one to always view a real device before buying a pentile display device, especially if one is sensitive to aberrations and one has good eyesight for tiny detail. YMMV.
  - ok_craig 14y ago
    I own a Galaxy Nexus, and I dislike the pentile display. The nexus 7, which has the same resolution but is 2" larger, appears sharper. The pentile display also causes noticeable grain (to me) on solid colors.
dschep 14y ago
The button bar + notification bar looks strange on a 10" screen. It was OK on the Nexus 7, but does cramp the screen in portrait. I wonder what their rationalization for it on a 10" screen is.
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  This is only one of several things that make me think and hope that this isn't the version to actually ship to consumers.
robocat 14y ago
Front facing speakers, finally. On iPad I presume speakers are not facing front due to form trumping function. On other pads, I presume it is due to copying Apple's focus upon form?
panther123 14y ago
dude ! where is the nexus7 3g ?
ChuckMcM 14y ago
Sigh, I really wish it had some local storage. I know, I know, the 'cloud' is my storage, and I get the whole Google meme that someday the world will have 4G LTE type speeds everywhere and we'll have fixed legislation such that we don't have to worry about non-local data being seized next to someone's illegal content. But that time is not now. And my pain is not psychosomatic. I really like to have some local stuff.
- myko 14y ago
  Yeah, the 16GB option is a joke for anyone who plans on installing more than a couple of games on one of these things. The lack of SD card is boneheaded.
  - incision 14y ago
    >The lack of SD card is boneheaded. How so? It seems the Nexus 7 and an entire lines of Apple devices have done just fine without expandable storage. I certainly understand why folks want the option, but as demonstrated, being able to charge a premium for different tiers of internal storage works wonders for profit margins.
    - myko 14y ago
      I have the Nexus 7 and as I replied to another comment it is extremely frustrating dealing with only 16GB of space. Being able to pop in a 32GB SD card would alleviate a lot of my issues, especially during travel. This annoys me a bit less on my Galaxy Nexus as I don't typically install large games (> 1GB) on it. Devices can do fine without expandable storage, sure - but it's an easy differentiator for Android to make, and is one of the reasons I bought into the platform to begin with.
  - TazeTSchnitzel 14y ago
    No it's not. You could do fine with 8GB. I used to have a device with that capacity, and it had a lot of games on it. Now I, on the other hand, have to deal with a (Samsung) android phone running Gingerbread, which with the Facebook app installed, and all Android updates installed, complains about having run out of internal storage.
taylorbuley 14y ago
Excellent. The first tablet designed entirely by lawyers.
sabret00the 14y ago
I simply don't get why they'd centre the on-screen buttons. Surely the ergonomics don't support such a move?

40 points by co_pl_te 14y ago

From the article: 10.1-inch Super AMOLED display 2560 x 1600 pixel resolution Why can we have a 10" display w/ 1600p at a very reasonable price but I can't a get a 22" + monitor at the same resolution without shelling out over $1000 :C

maratd 14y ago
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CROSSOVER-27Q-LED-27-Monitor-2560X1440-High-resolution-Monitor-QHD-DVI-/320977170814?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item4abbbaf17e http://www.ebay.com/itm/CROSSOVER-27Q-LED-27-Monitor-2560X14... I'm writing this to you on one right now. I got the slightly more expensive version that swivels. 27" for $363 shipped. LG LCD panel (I opened it and confirmed). A number of dead pixels, but none in the center and they are only visible if you're 2" from the screen. At any reasonable distance, I can't make them out. If you want an immaculate, brand name, warrantied monitor ... yeah, it's 1K. If you're willing to compromise on a few things, there are other options. I imagine the disparity in availability has to do with the manufacturing technology. It's probably very difficult to make a zero-dead-pixel screen that is high resolution and very large.
- mladenkovacevic 14y ago
  Dell's Ultrasharp monitors go on sale quite often. Here in Canada they have their top-of-the-line 27" monitor on sale for $899... and actually it was $750 a couple of days ago. http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors_Flat_Panel_Widescreen/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=224-8284&~ck=baynoteSearch&baynote_bnrank=7&baynote_irrank=0 http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors_Flat_Pa...
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  I unboxed that about 10 minutes ago. :) Now I have to race to Best Buy to grab a dual-link adapter.
mtgx 14y ago
Hopefully these high resolution tablets and phones will lower the prices of these panels and will create this trend in laptops, too.
roc 14y ago
Because you can make more money selling four+ tablets than one desktop monitor at sizes/resolutions that continue to have very low total sales?
Evbn 14y ago
For one, the nexus is pentile, so the actual vertical resolution is only 2/3 that, and upsampled. At the same resolution, bigger pixels are still harder to manufacture correctly than smaller pixels. Androd devices are subsidized.
rorrr 14y ago
Go on ebay and search for 2560x1440 monitor. There are tons of IPS displays under $300 of various brands - ACHIEVA Shimian, Matrix, Catleap, LG.

gdi2290 14y ago

the site crashed. it's also on droid life

colonelxc 14y ago
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/10/26/samsung-nexus-10-poses-for-massive-photoshoot-shows-off-android-4-2-as-well/ http://www.droid-life.com/2012/10/26/samsung-nexus-10-poses-...

lukifer 14y ago

A million more pixels than the iPad 3/4, yet it wastes a bunch of them on those stupid on-screen virtual buttons instead of differentiating with real physical buttons. Also no micro SD, and it looks like more cheap plastic, just like the Nexus 7. I really want to get on board with a modern Android tablet, but they're not making it easy.

deleted 14y ago
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alanctgardner2 14y ago
Have you actually held a Nexus 7? I was surprised at how little I cared about the plastic casing. Also, physical buttons present something of a slippery slope: realistically, I'd like more buttons than the iPad. About 4 is sufficient (plus power and volume) based on other Android handsets I've owned. But trying to find a non-awkward place to put four hardware buttons would be an exercise in frustration. Especially when you support two orientations.
aviraldg 14y ago
Those "stupid on-screen virtual buttons" are smart * They conserve bevel space and let you have a larger screen overall. * They're only visible when you're using apps that need them. * When you're doing something which needs the whole screen, like playing video, they're hidden giving you a larger usable screen area. * Because they're implemented in software, their behaviour can be changed later and they can also be context sensitive. The non-existent microSD card is just Google's way of trying to get people to use more of their cloud based services (Drive, Play, etc) and has been a "feature" of almost all Nexus devices till date. This is one of the biggest negatives about this device. True, SAMSUNG devices feel like cheap plastic, but the same cheap plastic becomes very helpful when you drop your device: I've dropped my cheap plastic Galaxy Note several times with nary a scratch on the thing, but a friend's iPhone's cover shattered with a single drop.
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  What on Earth do people put on their SD cards? I use Subsonic, I give it the whole phone as a cache storage and I stream my music over 4G. Anytime I don't have internet, I have 16GB of music at my finger tips. Unless you're out of Internet range for days at a time, I don't understand the need for over 16GB of local storage. I don't know what people are talking about when they talk about build quality anymore. My Droid 1 was TOUGH. I dropped it repeatedly and it never broke and it held up for 3 years. But even when it was new, they were inconsistent. The sliding action was different, the button quality varied from one to the next, but it was heralded as tough and "feels good". On the other hand, my Galaxy Nexus has no flaws and has been dropped just as hard (I slung it out of my hand across a concrete parking lot once on accident) and has never had a case on it and is in pristine condition.

onetwothreefour 14y ago

Ugh. The bezel is very, very ugly.

wkdown 14y ago
A result of the Apple lawsuit, I imagine.
- wmf 14y ago
  When Apple said Samsung could avoid infringing by making their tablet ugly, I didn't imagine Samsung would take them seriously. :-(

arrrg 14y ago

Pentile? Bleegh. Hopefully the many pixels can mask that deficiency.

drivebyacct2 14y ago
Given the resolution, it's not going to be an issue. It isn't on the Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus10 is at a much higher pixel density.
- robocat 14y ago
  The pentile display is a real frustration for some people on the Galaxy Nexus. It isn't for others. Even at a higher resolution for the Nexus 10 (presuming it is pentile), some people would not buy it because they will find it noticeably ugly. For it to be a problem, you need to physically be able to see the jaggies (have good eyesight, or be short-sighted, but not long-sighted), and you need to find the jaggies disturbing (plenty of people who can see them don't mind them). Personally I notice it on my Galaxy Nexus, but it doesn't particularly bother me (it did bug me on the Galaxy S). A bigger problem with the OLED displays is the slow degradation in output of the blue LEDs, leading to burn in or yellowing of the screen. Maybe they have improved the tech, but I would be worried about a device that got more use than my phone. When in landscape, my 1 year old Nexus has a white band where the soft buttons are in portrait (because the rest of the screen has burned the blue LEDs more and has yellowed compared with the unburned white. Unburned band because soft button area is usually black). Even worse is the ugly unevenness in colour for solid grey or red. And sometimes there are ghost after-images that fade within say a second. Occurs in high contrast areas because of localised heating, which when changing to an even white, the LED output is uneven due to the heating. I accept these defects as compromises for other features I want in a phone. Basically, I think it behooves one to always view a real device before buying a pentile display device, especially if one is sensitive to aberrations and one has good eyesight for tiny detail. YMMV.
- ok_craig 14y ago
  I own a Galaxy Nexus, and I dislike the pentile display. The nexus 7, which has the same resolution but is 2" larger, appears sharper. The pentile display also causes noticeable grain (to me) on solid colors.

dschep 14y ago

The button bar + notification bar looks strange on a 10" screen. It was OK on the Nexus 7, but does cramp the screen in portrait. I wonder what their rationalization for it on a 10" screen is.

drivebyacct2 14y ago
This is only one of several things that make me think and hope that this isn't the version to actually ship to consumers.

robocat 14y ago

Front facing speakers, finally. On iPad I presume speakers are not facing front due to form trumping function. On other pads, I presume it is due to copying Apple's focus upon form?

panther123 14y ago

dude ! where is the nexus7 3g ?

ChuckMcM 14y ago

Sigh, I really wish it had some local storage. I know, I know, the 'cloud' is my storage, and I get the whole Google meme that someday the world will have 4G LTE type speeds everywhere and we'll have fixed legislation such that we don't have to worry about non-local data being seized next to someone's illegal content. But that time is not now. And my pain is not psychosomatic. I really like to have some local stuff.

myko 14y ago
Yeah, the 16GB option is a joke for anyone who plans on installing more than a couple of games on one of these things. The lack of SD card is boneheaded.
- incision 14y ago
  >The lack of SD card is boneheaded. How so? It seems the Nexus 7 and an entire lines of Apple devices have done just fine without expandable storage. I certainly understand why folks want the option, but as demonstrated, being able to charge a premium for different tiers of internal storage works wonders for profit margins.
  - myko 14y ago
    I have the Nexus 7 and as I replied to another comment it is extremely frustrating dealing with only 16GB of space. Being able to pop in a 32GB SD card would alleviate a lot of my issues, especially during travel. This annoys me a bit less on my Galaxy Nexus as I don't typically install large games (> 1GB) on it. Devices can do fine without expandable storage, sure - but it's an easy differentiator for Android to make, and is one of the reasons I bought into the platform to begin with.
- TazeTSchnitzel 14y ago
  No it's not. You could do fine with 8GB. I used to have a device with that capacity, and it had a lot of games on it. Now I, on the other hand, have to deal with a (Samsung) android phone running Gingerbread, which with the Facebook app installed, and all Android updates installed, complains about having run out of internal storage.

taylorbuley 14y ago

Excellent. The first tablet designed entirely by lawyers.

sabret00the 14y ago

I simply don't get why they'd centre the on-screen buttons. Surely the ergonomics don't support such a move?