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> I don't disagree with you, but this is the reality already and I don't see how they can get out of it. Maybe by starting to behave as if the Palestinian popu

> I don't disagree with you, but this is the reality already and I don't see how they can get out of it. Maybe by starting to behave as if the Palestinian population that live on the territory they control have equal rights? Like stopping West Bank colonization projects?

halflife 8mo ago
2006 Gaza was left to their own independent rule. Shortly after that Hamas killed the PLO, assumed control, and started fire rockets into Israel. And you’re saying that we need to try that again with the West Bank?
- Cyph0n 8mo ago
  That’s not what happened. You (unintentionally I am sure) glossed over the elections being overruled by the US and Israel, the attempted coup by Fatah in Gaza, and the subsequent blockade.
  - halflife 8mo ago
    The blockade started after the rockets. And how can US and Israel overrule elections in Gaza? Fatah wanted a coup because they lost to Hamas. That’s why there’s no election in the West Bank.
    - Cyph0n 8mo ago
      Read up on the election here, tired of responding in this thread: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election?wprov=sfti1#US_post-election_impediments https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_e... On rocket attacks, Hamas was sticking relatively well to the ceasefire (again, talking about Hamas, not other groups). The blockade was tightened by Israel post-takeover, which then lead to a resumption of rocket attacks.
      - reliabilityguy 8mo ago
        > Hamas was sticking relatively well to the ceasefire By launching rockets? Are you serious? How can you argue in good faith that launching unguided rockets indiscriminately over civilian population centers as “sticking to the ceasefire”?
- blks 8mo ago
  This is not an argument for illegal occupation and expansion into West Bank. Israel should follow international law and agreements they themselves signed.
  - reliabilityguy 8mo ago
    Palestinians too. Unfortunately, they are not sticking to their side of the bargain as well.
yes_really 8mo ago
Oh yeah, I'm sure stopping the "West Bank colonization projects" will make Iran be peaceful.
- baud147258 8mo ago
  At least that'd improve the chance of having peaceful neighbours, instead of ones who'll listen to any envoy from Iran saying that bombing Israel is the best solution for living in peace.
  - yes_really 8mo ago
    It really wouldn't make a difference. A country that is already so radicalized that it thinks bombing Israel is the best solution for living in peace would not change its mind for the Palestinians. I think this article explains it well: https://www.richardhanania.com/p/how-trump-proved-foreign-policy-experts https://www.richardhanania.com/p/how-trump-proved-foreign-po...
  - reliabilityguy 8mo ago
    Question: why do Palestinians do not take a unilateral step of declaring “no more armed resistance”? If basks can, why Palestinians can’t?

halflife 8mo ago

2006 Gaza was left to their own independent rule. Shortly after that Hamas killed the PLO, assumed control, and started fire rockets into Israel. And you’re saying that we need to try that again with the West Bank?

Cyph0n 8mo ago
That’s not what happened. You (unintentionally I am sure) glossed over the elections being overruled by the US and Israel, the attempted coup by Fatah in Gaza, and the subsequent blockade.
- halflife 8mo ago
  The blockade started after the rockets. And how can US and Israel overrule elections in Gaza? Fatah wanted a coup because they lost to Hamas. That’s why there’s no election in the West Bank.
  - Cyph0n 8mo ago
    Read up on the election here, tired of responding in this thread: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election?wprov=sfti1#US_post-election_impediments https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_e... On rocket attacks, Hamas was sticking relatively well to the ceasefire (again, talking about Hamas, not other groups). The blockade was tightened by Israel post-takeover, which then lead to a resumption of rocket attacks.
    - reliabilityguy 8mo ago
      > Hamas was sticking relatively well to the ceasefire By launching rockets? Are you serious? How can you argue in good faith that launching unguided rockets indiscriminately over civilian population centers as “sticking to the ceasefire”?
blks 8mo ago
This is not an argument for illegal occupation and expansion into West Bank. Israel should follow international law and agreements they themselves signed.
- reliabilityguy 8mo ago
  Palestinians too. Unfortunately, they are not sticking to their side of the bargain as well.

yes_really 8mo ago

Oh yeah, I'm sure stopping the "West Bank colonization projects" will make Iran be peaceful.

baud147258 8mo ago
At least that'd improve the chance of having peaceful neighbours, instead of ones who'll listen to any envoy from Iran saying that bombing Israel is the best solution for living in peace.
- yes_really 8mo ago
  It really wouldn't make a difference. A country that is already so radicalized that it thinks bombing Israel is the best solution for living in peace would not change its mind for the Palestinians. I think this article explains it well: https://www.richardhanania.com/p/how-trump-proved-foreign-policy-experts https://www.richardhanania.com/p/how-trump-proved-foreign-po...
- reliabilityguy 8mo ago
  Question: why do Palestinians do not take a unilateral step of declaring “no more armed resistance”? If basks can, why Palestinians can’t?