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So the solution is for Israel to get an even bigger “stick” than nuclear weapons? How about a just solution for the Palestinians instead?
by Cyph0n 8mo ago
So the solution is for Israel to get an even bigger “stick” than nuclear weapons? How about a just solution for the Palestinians instead?
- markus_zhang 8mo agoWho is going to do that? Obviously not in anyone's interests. That is, anyone who can push the situation towards that direction.
- Cyph0n 8mo agoYou’re either missing my point or deflecting. Let me expand one last time. Israel claims to be threatened by its neighbors. Israel claims to want peace with countries in the region. Neighboring countries have repeatedly stated that a precondition to normalization is a just solution for Palestinians. But Israel does not want a just solution. In other words, the problem is entirely self-inflicted. Israel wants peace, but without making any concessions on the issue of Palestine. So instead it pursues a system of “peace through violence” - just like it does in the West Bank and Gaza.
- throw2845893 8mo agoThis is bullshit. Between 1948 and 1967 the entire West Bank and Gaza were under control of neighbouring Arab countries. They could’ve set up a Palestinian state within “the 1967 borders”, but nobody did. Instead they went to war to try and take the rest. Besides, Israel has since made peace with Egypt and Jordan.
- Cyph0n 8mo agoOkay, and? Do you think the fact that neighbors having their own expansionist ambitions is somehow a “gotcha”? And given the whole Greater Israel plan, do you seriously think that Israel would have even allowed this to happen? Now, back to the present day. Palestinians live under a system of occupation and blockade and recently genocide. This is not a just situation. It is also not sustainable without continued repression and use of force. There is no way that Israel will be welcomed into the wider ME under this regime.
- reliabilityguy 8mo ago> And given the whole Greater Israel plan What is this “plan”? > Palestinians live under a system of occupation and blockade What did the Palestinians do to not end up in this situation? > genocide War is not genocide. And remarks by some of the politicians are not a proof of genocide as well. > There is no way that Israel will be welcomed into the wider ME under this regime. Israel just need to be stronger to survive as they did in the first 20-30 years of their statehood.
- halflife 8mo agoThere peace with Jordan and Egypt. 2 countries that were at war with Israel, Egypt got Sinai back, Jordan did not want the West Bank back.
- Cyph0n 8mo agoWhat do you mean by “back”? The West Bank was never legitimately part of Jordan - they forcibly annexed it in 1948. As for the peace treaties: Jordan simply did not have the ability to fight Israel any longer, or to deal with Palestinian factions operating in its territory. Egypt wanted its land back after failing to reclaim it in 1973.
- reliabilityguy 8mo ago> What do you mean by “back”? > Egypt wanted its land back after failing to reclaim it in 1973. It seems you are aware that peace deal with Egypt is what got Sinai back to Egypt.
- Cyph0n 8mo agoRegarding this comment specifically, if you took the time to read the next sentence, you would have understood that “back” is referring to Jordan. I have read your other comments. I am not going to engage further, for two reasons: 1. You’re a bit late to the party, and I primarily respond to engage with readers. 2. You’re clearly coming in with a closed mind.
- reliabilityguy 8mo agoWhat a wonderful way to not discuss the facts and claims made by you on their merits. Also, I am not sure how you can imply that you are unbiased.