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Step 1: A Holocaust perpetrated by Germany, not Palestine. Step 2: Build a country out of Lego- I mean, gradually settle an existing, populated area of the Lev

by Cyph0n 8mo ago

Step 1: A Holocaust perpetrated by Germany, not Palestine. Step 2: Build a country out of Lego- I mean, gradually settle an existing, populated area of the Levant - Palestine - and then have daddy Britain and later big daddy USA forcibly carve out a chunk of the land without input from the natives. And no, it was not a UN partition plan because most of the world was still colonized at the time. Step 3: Take advantage of the obvious discontent with this move by the natives and activate Plan Dalet to take even more of the land. After all, the land granted by the partition plan is not enough. Step 4: War starts with neighboring countries, partly to disrupt the ethnic cleansing campaign against a mostly defenseless population, but also to satisfy their own expansionist aims (esp. Transjordan).

idop 8mo ago
Step 1: Lie. The people who fled Europe or forced out of the Middle East purchased empty lands, dried marshes, planted forests, installed infrastructure, sown fields, built cities and created a democracy to govern themselves. Incidentally, some purchased lands had squatters from Syria, Jordan, Arabia, etc., who lived on lands they did not own. Bye bye and boo hoo. Seven different armies invaded Israel on its day of foundation. Seven armies got wrecked. Entire countries with billions of people keep crying about it, going so far as making the destruction of Israel an official goal, in some countries even actual laws! No conspiracy theories, no "Plan Dalet" and other bullshit your Hamas friends told you about, their real, actual goals stated right in your face.
- Cyph0n 8mo ago
  I mean, Israeli historians corroborated Plan Dalet, but sure, let’s call it a conspiracy. I am going to stop responding here.
  - reliabilityguy 8mo ago
    Are you saying that the Jews didn’t buy land in the Ottoman Empire and the early British mandate times? I know that the pro-Palestinian side attempts to erase any link of Jewish people to the area, but there are documents that are not even 100 years old.
Pay08 8mo ago
This is frankly, completely ahistorical. The British famously backed the Palestinians in the 1948 war (only barely, they mostly didn't care, but still did back them) and didn't like the idea of Israel so much so that they withdrew from the UN committee over it. Palestinians famously collaborated with Hitler as well. The USA only started being allied with Israel in the late 60s. > And no, it was not a UN partition plan because most of the world was still colonized at the time. And I can't even begin to fathom what this means. As you noted in an another comment, Plan Dalet was corroborated by Israeli historians. Which is false. It was corroborated by one Israeli historian, who retracted his findings after finding out his source for the writings of Ben-Gurion were edited posthumously. And "war starts" is a very nice and PG way to phrase "attempted to genocide Jews".
- Cyph0n 8mo ago
  Yes, it is completely ahistorical - if you buy in to the blessed Zionist narrative, that is. > The British famously backed the Palestinians No, the British backed the Jordanians, not the Palestinians. Jordan had its own goals as I alluded to elsewhere. I would recommend reading a bit further on the subtleties and limits to that backing, as well as the strategic reasons for said backing. But I wasn’t talking about the war at all here. They withdrew because they did not know how to balance the two sides. It was a hot potato, so they threw into the lap of the US. > And I can't even begin to fathom what this means. How many seats were there at the UNGA at the time? And how many of those seats belonged to countries who could make sovereign decisions without fear of repercussion from the newly emerged world powers? Keep in mind that WWII ended less than two years ago at this point. > As you noted in an another comment, Plan Dalet was corroborated by Israeli historians. Which is false. So there was no ethnic cleansing at all? I suppose 700k or so Palestinians just oopsied their way out of their homes and villages. > And "war starts" is a very nice and PG way to phrase "attempted to genocide Jews". Oh boy, not this again..
  - Pay08 8mo ago
    I find it interesting that all of your arguments rely on emotion, not fact.
  - 8mo ago
reliabilityguy 8mo ago
> War starts with neighboring countries, partly to disrupt the ethnic cleansing campaign against a mostly defenseless population Did you made this all up? There is zero evidence that the war started because the Jews were ethnically cleansing “defenseless population”. It is enough to go to the library and read newspapers from the time where Arabs openly stated that they do no accept Jewish state for the sake of it being Jewish.

by Cyph0n 8mo ago

idop 8mo ago

Step 1: Lie. The people who fled Europe or forced out of the Middle East purchased empty lands, dried marshes, planted forests, installed infrastructure, sown fields, built cities and created a democracy to govern themselves. Incidentally, some purchased lands had squatters from Syria, Jordan, Arabia, etc., who lived on lands they did not own. Bye bye and boo hoo. Seven different armies invaded Israel on its day of foundation. Seven armies got wrecked. Entire countries with billions of people keep crying about it, going so far as making the destruction of Israel an official goal, in some countries even actual laws! No conspiracy theories, no "Plan Dalet" and other bullshit your Hamas friends told you about, their real, actual goals stated right in your face.

Cyph0n 8mo ago
I mean, Israeli historians corroborated Plan Dalet, but sure, let’s call it a conspiracy. I am going to stop responding here.
- reliabilityguy 8mo ago
  Are you saying that the Jews didn’t buy land in the Ottoman Empire and the early British mandate times? I know that the pro-Palestinian side attempts to erase any link of Jewish people to the area, but there are documents that are not even 100 years old.

Pay08 8mo ago

This is frankly, completely ahistorical. The British famously backed the Palestinians in the 1948 war (only barely, they mostly didn't care, but still did back them) and didn't like the idea of Israel so much so that they withdrew from the UN committee over it. Palestinians famously collaborated with Hitler as well. The USA only started being allied with Israel in the late 60s. > And no, it was not a UN partition plan because most of the world was still colonized at the time. And I can't even begin to fathom what this means. As you noted in an another comment, Plan Dalet was corroborated by Israeli historians. Which is false. It was corroborated by one Israeli historian, who retracted his findings after finding out his source for the writings of Ben-Gurion were edited posthumously. And "war starts" is a very nice and PG way to phrase "attempted to genocide Jews".

Cyph0n 8mo ago
Yes, it is completely ahistorical - if you buy in to the blessed Zionist narrative, that is. > The British famously backed the Palestinians No, the British backed the Jordanians, not the Palestinians. Jordan had its own goals as I alluded to elsewhere. I would recommend reading a bit further on the subtleties and limits to that backing, as well as the strategic reasons for said backing. But I wasn’t talking about the war at all here. They withdrew because they did not know how to balance the two sides. It was a hot potato, so they threw into the lap of the US. > And I can't even begin to fathom what this means. How many seats were there at the UNGA at the time? And how many of those seats belonged to countries who could make sovereign decisions without fear of repercussion from the newly emerged world powers? Keep in mind that WWII ended less than two years ago at this point. > As you noted in an another comment, Plan Dalet was corroborated by Israeli historians. Which is false. So there was no ethnic cleansing at all? I suppose 700k or so Palestinians just oopsied their way out of their homes and villages. > And "war starts" is a very nice and PG way to phrase "attempted to genocide Jews". Oh boy, not this again..
- Pay08 8mo ago
  I find it interesting that all of your arguments rely on emotion, not fact.
- 8mo ago

reliabilityguy 8mo ago

> War starts with neighboring countries, partly to disrupt the ethnic cleansing campaign against a mostly defenseless population Did you made this all up? There is zero evidence that the war started because the Jews were ethnically cleansing “defenseless population”. It is enough to go to the library and read newspapers from the time where Arabs openly stated that they do no accept Jewish state for the sake of it being Jewish.