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I'd be super surprised if EU doesn't have similar "dashboards".

by markus_zhang 8mo ago

baq 8mo ago
Don't underestimate the incompetence of our governments.
- NoiseBert69 8mo ago
  The German foreign intelligence service (BND) played the PR of incompetence for a very long time. Well until press found out that they had tapped into Obamas encrypted phone calls while flying in the AF1 for a long time.
  - lejalv 8mo ago
    I did not know - here's a link to Washington Post reporting: https://archive.ph/kCxNw https://archive.ph/kCxNw
  - LispShmisp 8mo ago
    > Well until press found out that they had tapped into Obamas encrypted phone calls while flying in the AF1 for a long time. As per the article linked above (https://archive.ph/kCxNw https://archive.ph/kCxNw) "The intelligence agency, called the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND) discovered that some calls on Air Force One were unencrypted and it was able to tap into radio frequencies that were used for those calls, according to the book, " No hacking or deployment of listening devices, just passive listening. Unless you have other sources?
- markus_zhang 8mo ago
  They are usually incompetent on things that are not important, like keeping infrastructure from falling off the cliff, maintaining a good economy, or in general serving the people. They are pretty competent on things that are really important, like hacking into people's phones, killing other people. After all you have to admit that getting killed is more serious than getting starved...
- ddalex 8mo ago
  Appear weak when you are strong, and all of that
  - baq 8mo ago
    hope for the best, expect the worst...
alephnerd 8mo ago
EU member states do and often with collaboration with Israeli vendors - especially in the CEE and Southern Europe. It even became an ongoing scandal in the EU [0][1]. Northern and Western European states tend to use American products, but the difference between "American", "Israeli", "Czech", and "Indian" blurs because of how much overlap the industry has transnationally. Italy, Czechia, Poland, and Netherlands all have significant domestic capacity in the space as well, but a large portion of it is via American and Israeli tech. [0] - https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-spyware-probe-slams-government-leaders-as-perpetrators-of-abuse/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-spyware-probe-slams-gover... [1] - https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-commission-national-security-does-not-justify-spying-document/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-commission-national-secur...

I'd be super surprised if EU doesn't have similar "dashboards".

baq 8mo ago

Don't underestimate the incompetence of our governments.

NoiseBert69 8mo ago
The German foreign intelligence service (BND) played the PR of incompetence for a very long time. Well until press found out that they had tapped into Obamas encrypted phone calls while flying in the AF1 for a long time.
- lejalv 8mo ago
  I did not know - here's a link to Washington Post reporting: https://archive.ph/kCxNw https://archive.ph/kCxNw
- LispShmisp 8mo ago
  > Well until press found out that they had tapped into Obamas encrypted phone calls while flying in the AF1 for a long time. As per the article linked above (https://archive.ph/kCxNw https://archive.ph/kCxNw) "The intelligence agency, called the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND) discovered that some calls on Air Force One were unencrypted and it was able to tap into radio frequencies that were used for those calls, according to the book, " No hacking or deployment of listening devices, just passive listening. Unless you have other sources?
markus_zhang 8mo ago
They are usually incompetent on things that are not important, like keeping infrastructure from falling off the cliff, maintaining a good economy, or in general serving the people. They are pretty competent on things that are really important, like hacking into people's phones, killing other people. After all you have to admit that getting killed is more serious than getting starved...
ddalex 8mo ago
Appear weak when you are strong, and all of that
- baq 8mo ago
  hope for the best, expect the worst...

alephnerd 8mo ago

EU member states do and often with collaboration with Israeli vendors - especially in the CEE and Southern Europe. It even became an ongoing scandal in the EU [0][1]. Northern and Western European states tend to use American products, but the difference between "American", "Israeli", "Czech", and "Indian" blurs because of how much overlap the industry has transnationally. Italy, Czechia, Poland, and Netherlands all have significant domestic capacity in the space as well, but a large portion of it is via American and Israeli tech. [0] - https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-spyware-probe-slams-government-leaders-as-perpetrators-of-abuse/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-spyware-probe-slams-gover... [1] - https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-commission-national-security-does-not-justify-spying-document/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-commission-national-secur...