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Recently for obvious reasons I’ve started questioning everything. I imagine I’m not alone. Let’s just say I’m even more of a fan of EU digital infrastructure m
by baq 9mo ago
Recently for obvious reasons I’ve started questioning everything. I imagine I’m not alone.
Let’s just say I’m even more of a fan of EU digital infrastructure moving to strictly EU countries, no outside traffic allowed.
- meowface 9mo agoDon't get me wrong, I get why they want to and it is probably a justified security concern, but it's also things like that which will probably cause Europe's economy to continue to stagnate while the US's will probably continue to soar even with Trump (and perhaps, later, Vance) completely destroying our international reputation and credibility and our most important political and scientific institutions. The fact that the US can continue to economically do so well relative to others despite currently being run by some of the stupidest and most abhorrent people possible is... sad.
- hparadiz 9mo agoEurope could be more competitive but then they snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Just in the past week they're meddling with the infinite scroll feature and then the unrealized taxes in the Netherlands. Why would a tech company wanna operate in such an environment?
- CorrectHorseBat 9mo agoWhy would we care about competivity where it doesn't benefit society? Addictive social media and wealth accumulation actively harm society
- hparadiz 9mo agoYou have fun with that. Lemme know how it goes.
- CorrectHorseBat 9mo agoWhat for an answer is that?
- ilikecakeandpie 9mo agoIt's not like it's going real well here in the U.S.
- meowface 9mo agoObviously one cannot simply accept any potential societal trade-off in favor of benefitting the economy, but going too far in the opposite direction eventually manifests as worse living standards for the average person, which is not beneficial to society.
- gzread 9mo agoHow does banning intentionally addictive media-feed apps (they are not social media, they are parasocial at best) make society worse?
- meowface 9mo ago"How does banning unhealthy food make society worse?" "How does banning unhealthy habits make society worse?" "How does banning harmful/hateful speech make society worse?" "How does banning things and, as a result, our economy stagnating, make society worse?"
- gzread 9mo agoPam Bondi suggested that it would be impossible to prosecute the pedophiles, because the economy would collapse. To which many people reacted: then let it collapse. You remind me of Pam Bondi.
- meowface 8mo agoExcept Bondi was wrong and I am right, and also letting the economy collapse actually would be really, really bad and saying things like that is something only children and economically illiterate people do. Also, most of the things I listed in my previous post had absolutely nothing to do with the economy. It's just that it's unethical and tyrannical for the government to dictate people's behavior in this way. "How is it unhealthy for the government to ban alcohol?" These statements would apply whether in a socialistic or fully neoliberal country.
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- mikrotikker 9mo agoInfinite scroll? Just ban social media algorithms you buffoons. Then u can even let kids use it.
- bpt3 9mo ago> The fact that the US can continue to economically do so well relative to others despite currently being run by some of the stupidest and most abhorrent people possible is... sad. It's not sad, it's strong evidence (I hesitate to call it proof, but...) that a federated model of governance with limited regulation is the most resilient and successful form of government. All the EU states need to do is learn that regulation is not the solution to every theoretical problem any bureaucrat can imagine, and they too can experience meaningful economic growth.
- CorrectHorseBat 9mo agoI agree that if you want to pursue economic growth laissez-faire is possibly the best course of action, but economic growth isn't the only metric worth pursuing.
- bpt3 9mo ago> economic growth isn't the only metric worth pursuing It's not, but the absence of it makes it much harder to pursue the many other worthy goals. Which again, is a lesson the EU seems to refuse to accept.
- CorrectHorseBat 9mo agoI have no idea where you got that idea from. If anything the EU has been focused way too much on the economy, hoping trade and economic growth will solve all problems.
- markus_zhang 9mo agoI'd be super surprised if EU doesn't have similar "dashboards".
- baq 9mo agoDon't underestimate the incompetence of our governments.
- NoiseBert69 9mo agoThe German foreign intelligence service (BND) played the PR of incompetence for a very long time. Well until press found out that they had tapped into Obamas encrypted phone calls while flying in the AF1 for a long time.
- lejalv 9mo agoI did not know - here's a link to Washington Post reporting: https://archive.ph/kCxNw https://archive.ph/kCxNw
- LispShmisp 9mo ago> Well until press found out that they had tapped into Obamas encrypted phone calls while flying in the AF1 for a long time. As per the article linked above (https://archive.ph/kCxNw https://archive.ph/kCxNw) "The intelligence agency, called the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND) discovered that some calls on Air Force One were unencrypted and it was able to tap into radio frequencies that were used for those calls, according to the book, " No hacking or deployment of listening devices, just passive listening. Unless you have other sources?
- markus_zhang 9mo agoThey are usually incompetent on things that are not important, like keeping infrastructure from falling off the cliff, maintaining a good economy, or in general serving the people. They are pretty competent on things that are really important, like hacking into people's phones, killing other people. After all you have to admit that getting killed is more serious than getting starved...
- epolanski 9mo agoEU law enforcement agencies regularly buy this kind of software, even if illegal! The Italian Carabinieri bought Paragon even though they can't legally use it, because mass surveillance is obviously illegal and against our constitution. And yet, nothing's being done.
- ddalex 9mo agobut its not mass surveillance, its targeted at a large but finite number of people
- mikrotikker 9mo agoBalkanization of the internet. It was foretold.