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> Cherny responded to the feedback by making changes. "We have repurposed the existing verbose mode setting for this," he said, so that it "shows file paths for
by xg15 9mo ago
> Cherny responded to the feedback by making changes. "We have repurposed the existing verbose mode setting for this," he said, so that it "shows file paths for read/searches. Does not show full thinking, hook output, or subagent output (coming in tomorrow's release)."
How to comply with a demand to show more information by showing less information.
- embedding-shape 9mo agoWords have lost all meaning. "Verbose" no longer means "containing more words than necessary" but instead "Bit more than usual". "Fast" no longer mean "characterized by quick motion, operation, or effect" but instead depends on the company, some of them use slightly different way, but same "speed", but it's called "fast mode". It's just a whole new world where words suddenly mean something completely different, and you can no longer understand programs by just reading what labels they use for various things, you need to also lookup if what they think "verbose" means matches with the meaning you've built up understanding of first.
- alehlopeh 9mo agoI’m literally dead
- xg15 9mo agoMy condolences.
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- dhagz 9mo agoYou thought "fast mode" was describing the agent? No no no, it's describing your spend, since it only uses "extra usage."
- nullbio 9mo agoOut of principle I'm never paying them a cent for "fast mode". I've already started using Codex anyway, will probably just cancel my sub since I've found I actually haven't needed CC at all since making the switch.
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- throwaway314155 9mo agoTo be fair, some of the best software out there has multiple levels of verbosity. Usually enabled with extra ‘-v’ short options.
- 3oil3 9mo agoThis is really the kind of things Claude sometimes does. "Actually, wait... let's repurpose the existing verbose mode for this, simpler, and it fits the user's request to limit bloating"
- lkbm 9mo agoThey changed it from showing just number of files read to showing the actual paths/filenames. IE, it shows more information. EDIT: Ah, looks like verbose mode might show less than it used to, and you need to use a new mode (^o) to show very verbose.
- xg15 9mo agoYeah, I understood it such that the information was first moved from standard to verbose mode, and when people pointed out that they will drowned out in noise there, tge response was to cut down verbose mode as well. I didn't know about the ^o mode though, so good that the verbose information is at least still available somewhere. Even though now it seems like an enormously complicated maneuver with no purpose.
- vardalab 9mo agoYeah but did he actually try to use the repurposed "verbose" mode? I did, and it's way more verbose than I need, but the regular mode now is basically like mute mode. In addition, recently it started running a lot of stuff in the background and that causes some crazy flicker and Claude has become stubbornly autonomous. It just runs stuff in a flyby mode, asks me a question and then waits a couple seconds and proceeds with a default choice while I am still reading and considering options. I am left mashing Esc and that sometimes does not stop stuff either. Last couple updates have really annoyed me tbh.
- bostonvaulter2 9mo agoDid you enable verbose output in the settings? That gives you a different view then pressing ctrl-o. And this naming is endlessly confusing!
- vardalab 8mo agoYes I did. It was an overwhelming amount of stuff. It was noisy.