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DHS has reportedly sent out subpoenas to identify ICE critics online

43 points by ggm 8mo ago

ggm 8mo ago
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has reportedly been asking tech companies for information on accounts posting anti-ICE sentiments. According to The New York Times, DHS has sent hundreds of administrative subpoenas to Google, Reddit, Discord and Meta over the past few months. Homeland Security asked the companies for names, email addresses, telephone numbers and any other identifying detail for accounts that have criticized the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency or have reported the location of its agents. Google, Meta and Reddit have complied with some of the requests
- ectospheno 8mo ago
  I think the trick now would be finding a pro ice sentiment online.
  - technion 8mo ago
    Open Facebook and scroll. Every time ICE comes up the content is exclusively positive (and no I don't feed the trolls and bring this algorithm on myself).
    - ggm 8mo ago
      It's not all bots. Some people back this push, and FB is where they hang. I don't think this stuff is why people will be pulled out of line at CBP, but it will inform why they are bounced, should they otherwise come to the attention of the authorities. They don't need a bloom filter over 1m entrants, they need something they can say "because" when they toss you out.
webdoodle 8mo ago
They'll take the money and run as usual. If they don't then you know this IS the psyop.
- wmf 8mo ago
  What money?
  - webdoodle 8mo ago
    For years, the Federal government was paying telephone companies for their phone records. Not the calls themselves, just the metadata. I'm sure the capital driven companies get paid for providing the data, as a service fee.
antonvs 8mo ago
When these “administrative subpoenas” (a fancy term for polite request) are challenged in court, ICE tends to withdraw them, because they don’t want the legal precedent that says what they’re doing is illegal and un-American. They should be forced to defend them, that might put a stop to this.
keernan 8mo ago
The bigger issue than the illegal use of the subpoena power, is the purpose behind why they are gathering this personal data about Americans.
ChrisArchitect 8mo ago
[dupe] Earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47009582 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47009582
josefritzishere 8mo ago
This is very 1984. The Illegal subpoenas are just as concerning as the illegal behavior of ICE, if not more so.
k310 8mo ago
Why Do Lawyers Want to Abolish ICE? [0] The TLDR: • Lawyers have been calling for the abolition of ICE for years, not because we oppose immigration enforcement, but because ICE as an institution is extremely unusual in American law • The legal mechanisms that define it are anomalous • And those legal anomalies carry real constitutional danger. [0] https://youtu.be/zkgNnbTrsgw https://youtu.be/zkgNnbTrsgw

43 points by ggm 8mo ago

ggm 8mo ago

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has reportedly been asking tech companies for information on accounts posting anti-ICE sentiments. According to The New York Times, DHS has sent hundreds of administrative subpoenas to Google, Reddit, Discord and Meta over the past few months. Homeland Security asked the companies for names, email addresses, telephone numbers and any other identifying detail for accounts that have criticized the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency or have reported the location of its agents. Google, Meta and Reddit have complied with some of the requests

ectospheno 8mo ago
I think the trick now would be finding a pro ice sentiment online.
- technion 8mo ago
  Open Facebook and scroll. Every time ICE comes up the content is exclusively positive (and no I don't feed the trolls and bring this algorithm on myself).
  - ggm 8mo ago
    It's not all bots. Some people back this push, and FB is where they hang. I don't think this stuff is why people will be pulled out of line at CBP, but it will inform why they are bounced, should they otherwise come to the attention of the authorities. They don't need a bloom filter over 1m entrants, they need something they can say "because" when they toss you out.

webdoodle 8mo ago

They'll take the money and run as usual. If they don't then you know this IS the psyop.

wmf 8mo ago
What money?
- webdoodle 8mo ago
  For years, the Federal government was paying telephone companies for their phone records. Not the calls themselves, just the metadata. I'm sure the capital driven companies get paid for providing the data, as a service fee.

antonvs 8mo ago

When these “administrative subpoenas” (a fancy term for polite request) are challenged in court, ICE tends to withdraw them, because they don’t want the legal precedent that says what they’re doing is illegal and un-American. They should be forced to defend them, that might put a stop to this.

keernan 8mo ago

The bigger issue than the illegal use of the subpoena power, is the purpose behind why they are gathering this personal data about Americans.

ChrisArchitect 8mo ago

[dupe] Earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47009582 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47009582

josefritzishere 8mo ago

This is very 1984. The Illegal subpoenas are just as concerning as the illegal behavior of ICE, if not more so.

k310 8mo ago

Why Do Lawyers Want to Abolish ICE? [0] The TLDR: • Lawyers have been calling for the abolition of ICE for years, not because we oppose immigration enforcement, but because ICE as an institution is extremely unusual in American law • The legal mechanisms that define it are anomalous • And those legal anomalies carry real constitutional danger. [0] https://youtu.be/zkgNnbTrsgw https://youtu.be/zkgNnbTrsgw