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Either the engine was misconfigured, the hardware you were playing on was glitching or you are omitting something. There is no chance in the world that you can
by galkk 8mo ago
Either the engine was misconfigured, the hardware you were playing on was glitching or you are omitting something. There is no chance in the world that you can beat stockfish in standard time control.
- nilslindemann 8mo agoJust because you can not do it it does not mean that others can not do it. If you search for Lichess games where strong players play against (edit: strongest!) Stockfish (which, admittedly is not the full throttle Stockfish) you will find that Stockfish by far does not win all the time. Such is a claim which only inexperienced chess beginners and Stockfish fanboys make. Stronger players know that Stockfish is relatively better, and by a far margin, but – obviously – does not win all the time due to the huge drawing range in chess. Admittedly, winning a game gets more and more difficult with every year. And, to make you happy, I have never beaten Lc0.
- josephg 8mo ago> If you search for Lichess games where strong players play against Stockfish ([..]) you will find that Stockfish by far does not win all the time. I'm sure some of those games are actually stockfish v stockfish or something similar. Its pretty easy to run stockfish or lichess locally and copy the moves from each engine back and forth.
- nilslindemann 8mo ago@josephg (for reasons I do not know there is no reply link below your post) Sure, some people are cheaters. Some are not. There is no personal win in cheating against Stockfish. Usually strong players do it for training purposes, or to entertain their watchers when they stream. I actually remember having seen one who did that, and he drew. That was a party.
- josephg 8mo agoYes. I hear this claim from above: "Some humans can beat stockfish." Evidence given: "There exist some small number of games on lichess.org played against stockfish where the user won." My counter argument is that games on lichess against stockfish don't imply a human beat stockfish. It could just be that stockfish (or other bots) can sometimes beat stockfish. And some humans surely use bots to play on their behalf in order to cheat in online games. I don't know if any humans can beat stockfish. But I don't consider that to be strong evidence.
- nilslindemann 8mo agoWell, there is nothing I can do to prove to you that I did, as I can not travel into the past taking you with me. I know, I did win two or three games and drew approximately 25 out of approximately 500 training games. But I can not prove it. You have to believe or not.
- josephg 8mo agoI believe you. I just suspect stockfish was misconfigured, it wasn’t playing at its highest skill level or something similar was going on. That seems more likely. (I’d love to know for sure though).
- selfmodruntime 8mo agoAn extraordinary claim without any proof. Surely you believe the moon to be made of cheese, since we can‘t travel there to verify it‘s not?
- copper4eva 8mo agoYeah his claim is quite absurd really. If it was a weaker stockfish (bad hardware, older version etc.) then maybe. Modern stockfish pretty much crushes any and everyone. A draw alone would be extremely impressive, and maybe doable with enough luck from a top player. But even that is very far fetched nowadays. Let alone actually winning.
- selfmodruntime 8mo agoSurely you have proof to back up this extraordinary claim? You said above that you won.