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That's right. They still want to spy on their citizens, mind you. They just don't want it to look bad, so they should go with someone local.

kmeisthax 8mo ago
If they're local, then they're subject to GDPR, which carries massive fines and a private right of action that lets you sue the shit out of anyone who spies on you. International surveillance, on the other hand, doesn't give two shits about GDPR. Likewise, in the US, they pay private firms and other governments to spy on their own citizens to get around the 4th and 5th Amendments. Limiting spying to nation-state actors only - and prohibiting cross-border surveillance cooperation - would do an insane amount of good for plugging the data drain.
- techpression 8mo ago
  Government spying is not subject to GDPR, just like you can’t ask the police what data they have on you. Whatever company gives them the tools will be exempt from any form of customer interference.
  - sjfhdh48384 8mo ago
    In which EU country do you not have Freedom of Information equivalent laws?
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- Nextgrid 8mo ago
  Fines so massive every company out there (including the linked website) takes the (rational) decision to not comply with it.
  - iamacyborg 8mo ago
    What makes you say they're not complying?
    - jounker 8mo ago
      Palantir’s entire business model is a GDPR violation, isn’t it?
      - iamacyborg 8mo ago
        Palantir isn’t the linked website though?
    - Nextgrid 8mo ago
      They make it mandatory to accept tracking for targeted advertising (or pay, which itself requires providing personal information). This is not compliant with the GDPR.
- gertlex 8mo ago
  I recently learned there's a massive gap in collection of fines relating to data handling violations, due to a (not covered) mix of non-collection and going through legal processes. (over the past 6 years: 4+ billion in fines; 20 million collected) Seems like a problem, and further changes might come partly from it. https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2026/01/12/data-protection-commission-owed-more-than-4-billion-in-fines/ https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2026/01/12/data-protecti...
- hulitu 8mo ago
  > which carries massive fines _potential_ massive fines. At this point in time, GDPR enforcement is a joke.
belorn 8mo ago
The Snowden files showed in great details how European countries used US intelligence to spy on EU citizens and then request that data through intel sharing, thus bypassing local and EU law. It was an effective way to get the benefits of spying on your citizens with a plausible deniability that it was the Americans who did it, and that the fact that data was shared is simply a fact of Nato and other deals between EU and US. Obviously this is not something EU citizens want. If we wanted it, we would issue laws that gave the military and police the right to do it themselves. The only reason that this roundabout way came to exist is that such surveillance would not pass unnoticed by voters. There are some "more local" alternatives. Sweden for example can (and as rumors goes, do) use neighboring countries like Denmark to spy on Swedish citizens by looking at network traffic that goes over the border. People have argued however that this is a bit worse of an deal since you don't get access to the larger intelligence network that US has, and you also have to trust your neighbors with possible sensitive data.
Krasnol 8mo ago
I don't think it's about how they look if they buy local, it is about accountability and stability. and while accountability never was the strength of the US, it has became unstable and unreliable in the recent years. It would be stupid to just look away and act like it's not happening.
bjhhjhjhj 8mo ago
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- cindyllm 8mo ago
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b00twhy 8mo ago
Citizens want conformity among each other as well. We just use semantics that obfuscate; get a job, make money, be useful to local economy, pay taxes, follow laws, close tickets in a queue, etc etc Submit your thoughts for social media to approve or shadow ban ! Submit your source code for validation Submit your time for validation "Ignore your eyes and ears; your agency has not been co-opted by some rando who has given themselves authority. You're a happy employee and we're family here until the company needs to pivot and we unceremoniously fire you, and keep your work for our profit." - middle management everywhere You're just arguing semantics when the ground truth is right in front of our faces. In America obligation is everywhere for no guarantee of healthcare. The American public shows it's true colors by not protesting 24/7 for comprehensive single payer; platitudes, obfuscated euphemisms for "thoughts and prayers", but happy to keep themselves off the hook. See YouTube videos full of doctors wasting time and training on the phone with insurance employees "just following orders" denying care for treatable conditions. American public is a joke and collectively useless. Trained to be helpless VHS cassette tapes of "knowledge" regurgitating whatever language they memorized at university.

kmeisthax 8mo ago

If they're local, then they're subject to GDPR, which carries massive fines and a private right of action that lets you sue the shit out of anyone who spies on you. International surveillance, on the other hand, doesn't give two shits about GDPR. Likewise, in the US, they pay private firms and other governments to spy on their own citizens to get around the 4th and 5th Amendments. Limiting spying to nation-state actors only - and prohibiting cross-border surveillance cooperation - would do an insane amount of good for plugging the data drain.

techpression 8mo ago
Government spying is not subject to GDPR, just like you can’t ask the police what data they have on you. Whatever company gives them the tools will be exempt from any form of customer interference.
- sjfhdh48384 8mo ago
  In which EU country do you not have Freedom of Information equivalent laws?
  - deleted 8mo ago
    [deleted]
Nextgrid 8mo ago
Fines so massive every company out there (including the linked website) takes the (rational) decision to not comply with it.
- iamacyborg 8mo ago
  What makes you say they're not complying?
  - jounker 8mo ago
    Palantir’s entire business model is a GDPR violation, isn’t it?
    - iamacyborg 8mo ago
      Palantir isn’t the linked website though?
  - Nextgrid 8mo ago
    They make it mandatory to accept tracking for targeted advertising (or pay, which itself requires providing personal information). This is not compliant with the GDPR.
gertlex 8mo ago
I recently learned there's a massive gap in collection of fines relating to data handling violations, due to a (not covered) mix of non-collection and going through legal processes. (over the past 6 years: 4+ billion in fines; 20 million collected) Seems like a problem, and further changes might come partly from it. https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2026/01/12/data-protection-commission-owed-more-than-4-billion-in-fines/ https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2026/01/12/data-protecti...
hulitu 8mo ago
> which carries massive fines _potential_ massive fines. At this point in time, GDPR enforcement is a joke.

belorn 8mo ago

The Snowden files showed in great details how European countries used US intelligence to spy on EU citizens and then request that data through intel sharing, thus bypassing local and EU law. It was an effective way to get the benefits of spying on your citizens with a plausible deniability that it was the Americans who did it, and that the fact that data was shared is simply a fact of Nato and other deals between EU and US. Obviously this is not something EU citizens want. If we wanted it, we would issue laws that gave the military and police the right to do it themselves. The only reason that this roundabout way came to exist is that such surveillance would not pass unnoticed by voters. There are some "more local" alternatives. Sweden for example can (and as rumors goes, do) use neighboring countries like Denmark to spy on Swedish citizens by looking at network traffic that goes over the border. People have argued however that this is a bit worse of an deal since you don't get access to the larger intelligence network that US has, and you also have to trust your neighbors with possible sensitive data.

Krasnol 8mo ago

I don't think it's about how they look if they buy local, it is about accountability and stability. and while accountability never was the strength of the US, it has became unstable and unreliable in the recent years. It would be stupid to just look away and act like it's not happening.

bjhhjhjhj 8mo ago

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cindyllm 8mo ago
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b00twhy 8mo ago

Citizens want conformity among each other as well. We just use semantics that obfuscate; get a job, make money, be useful to local economy, pay taxes, follow laws, close tickets in a queue, etc etc Submit your thoughts for social media to approve or shadow ban ! Submit your source code for validation Submit your time for validation "Ignore your eyes and ears; your agency has not been co-opted by some rando who has given themselves authority. You're a happy employee and we're family here until the company needs to pivot and we unceremoniously fire you, and keep your work for our profit." - middle management everywhere You're just arguing semantics when the ground truth is right in front of our faces. In America obligation is everywhere for no guarantee of healthcare. The American public shows it's true colors by not protesting 24/7 for comprehensive single payer; platitudes, obfuscated euphemisms for "thoughts and prayers", but happy to keep themselves off the hook. See YouTube videos full of doctors wasting time and training on the phone with insurance employees "just following orders" denying care for treatable conditions. American public is a joke and collectively useless. Trained to be helpless VHS cassette tapes of "knowledge" regurgitating whatever language they memorized at university.