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Is he taking a break from being a mouthpiece for Russian propaganda?

by tootie 8mo ago

user3939382 8mo ago
Right if you’re not a mouthpiece for the US State Depts horrific foreign policy you’re a Russian propagandist. My family fought in every war going back to the Revolution and I think our policy on Russia is complete shit. AFAIC we started the whole conflict.
- TiredOfLife 8mo ago
  He literally reposts russian lies.
- wredcoll 8mo ago
  > AFAIC we started the whole conflict. Is this talking point still being paid for? I haven't seen it in a while, but I guess I don't keep track that closely. What are the other russian provided talking points these days?
  - rsync 8mo ago
    I would direct you to George Kennan[1] and his 1997 NYT article where he said, among other things: "... expanding NATO would be the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-Cold War era. Such a decision may be expected to inflame the nationalistic, anti-Western and militaristic tendencies in Russian opinion; to have an adverse effect on the development of Russian democracy; to restore the atmosphere of the cold war to East-West relations, and to impel Russian foreign policy in directions decidedly not to our liking ..." Is it your position that he was paid for, or in some way disingenuously held, this view ? I don't have strong opinions on this topic but I note with interest that there seem to be contrary viewpoints that aren't not puppets/trolls. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_F._Kennan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_F._Kennan
    - wredcoll 8mo ago
      Did I miss the news of ukraine joining nato or something? More to the point, this is some hardcore "she was asking for it" victim blaming. You know who started the war? THE COUNTRY THAT LAUNCHED THE INVASION.
      - user3939382 8mo ago
        You missed the news where our own state dept officials are on leaked calls hand selecting the anti Russian government of Ukraine weeks before their coup or the news where Merkel admitted we negotiated treaties with Russia over Ukraine in bad faith. The war started with our expansion of NATO, followed by couping Ukraines govt, multiple fake peace treaties, and finally Ukraine murdering thousands of culturally Russian civilians in Eastern Ukraine. I count a war as started when someone starts murdering people w the military not when someone walks over a border. Although your narrative doesn’t work then right?
        wredcoll 8mo ago
        Ah yes, the "culturally russian civilians" that... were mostly part of the ukraine army or the russian sponsored rebellion. Boy. How awful. > I count a war as started when someone starts murdering people w the military So saddam hussein started the second iraq-america war? Don't answer that. Also tell me more about your evidence of united states soldiers landing in ukraine and killing/capturing the existing government to replace it, that sounds like a really big scandal we should be talking about! (Also, gee, I wonder why a government would be "anti-russian" during the past 50 years. Hmmm, nope, nothing comes to mind. Must be racism or something)
        user3939382 8mo ago
        tell me more about your evidence of united states soldiers landing in ukraine and killing/capturing the existing government to replace it We have the phone recordings of our government picking the new government BEFORE the coup. What part of that don’t you understand? So saddam hussein started the second iraq-america war? Don't answer that. Whatever your counterpoint is here it’s so weak I don’t even know what it is. Using the military to kill civilians in Eastern Ukraine was definitely the start of the war, you can save the attempt at cleverness.
Applejinx 8mo ago
Those guys find it useful when there's some kind of legitimate gripe to use. He needn't take a break, it's very much Western companies doing this. He doesn't even need to put in an ad for whatever doubtless sanctioned Russian services would like to replace these Western tech giants. Sometimes actual problems can be readily exploited for sinister purposes. Doesn't mean the original problems aren't also sinister, just be damn careful where you intend to flee to :)
epolanski 8mo ago
Can you make an example?
- tootie 8mo ago
  He has frequently laundered the notion that Russia's invasion of Ukraine was the West's fault for expanding NATO. He also told Tucker Carlson he believed the conspiracy theory that Ukraine hosted American bioweapons labs. He has spent his entire career being a grandstanding contrarian who is occasionally correct.

Is he taking a break from being a mouthpiece for Russian propaganda?

by tootie 8mo ago

Is he taking a break from being a mouthpiece for Russian propaganda?

Right if you’re not a mouthpiece for the US State Depts horrific foreign policy you’re a Russian propagandist. My family fought in every war going back to the Revolution and I think our policy on Russia is complete shit. AFAIC we started the whole conflict.

TiredOfLife 8mo ago
He literally reposts russian lies.
wredcoll 8mo ago
> AFAIC we started the whole conflict. Is this talking point still being paid for? I haven't seen it in a while, but I guess I don't keep track that closely. What are the other russian provided talking points these days?
- rsync 8mo ago
  I would direct you to George Kennan[1] and his 1997 NYT article where he said, among other things: "... expanding NATO would be the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-Cold War era. Such a decision may be expected to inflame the nationalistic, anti-Western and militaristic tendencies in Russian opinion; to have an adverse effect on the development of Russian democracy; to restore the atmosphere of the cold war to East-West relations, and to impel Russian foreign policy in directions decidedly not to our liking ..." Is it your position that he was paid for, or in some way disingenuously held, this view ? I don't have strong opinions on this topic but I note with interest that there seem to be contrary viewpoints that aren't not puppets/trolls. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_F._Kennan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_F._Kennan
  - wredcoll 8mo ago
    Did I miss the news of ukraine joining nato or something? More to the point, this is some hardcore "she was asking for it" victim blaming. You know who started the war? THE COUNTRY THAT LAUNCHED THE INVASION.
    - user3939382 8mo ago
      You missed the news where our own state dept officials are on leaked calls hand selecting the anti Russian government of Ukraine weeks before their coup or the news where Merkel admitted we negotiated treaties with Russia over Ukraine in bad faith. The war started with our expansion of NATO, followed by couping Ukraines govt, multiple fake peace treaties, and finally Ukraine murdering thousands of culturally Russian civilians in Eastern Ukraine. I count a war as started when someone starts murdering people w the military not when someone walks over a border. Although your narrative doesn’t work then right?
      - wredcoll 8mo ago
        Ah yes, the "culturally russian civilians" that... were mostly part of the ukraine army or the russian sponsored rebellion. Boy. How awful. > I count a war as started when someone starts murdering people w the military So saddam hussein started the second iraq-america war? Don't answer that. Also tell me more about your evidence of united states soldiers landing in ukraine and killing/capturing the existing government to replace it, that sounds like a really big scandal we should be talking about! (Also, gee, I wonder why a government would be "anti-russian" during the past 50 years. Hmmm, nope, nothing comes to mind. Must be racism or something)
        user3939382 8mo ago
        tell me more about your evidence of united states soldiers landing in ukraine and killing/capturing the existing government to replace it We have the phone recordings of our government picking the new government BEFORE the coup. What part of that don’t you understand? So saddam hussein started the second iraq-america war? Don't answer that. Whatever your counterpoint is here it’s so weak I don’t even know what it is. Using the military to kill civilians in Eastern Ukraine was definitely the start of the war, you can save the attempt at cleverness.

Applejinx 8mo ago

Those guys find it useful when there's some kind of legitimate gripe to use. He needn't take a break, it's very much Western companies doing this. He doesn't even need to put in an ad for whatever doubtless sanctioned Russian services would like to replace these Western tech giants. Sometimes actual problems can be readily exploited for sinister purposes. Doesn't mean the original problems aren't also sinister, just be damn careful where you intend to flee to :)

epolanski 8mo ago

Can you make an example?

tootie 8mo ago
He has frequently laundered the notion that Russia's invasion of Ukraine was the West's fault for expanding NATO. He also told Tucker Carlson he believed the conspiracy theory that Ukraine hosted American bioweapons labs. He has spent his entire career being a grandstanding contrarian who is occasionally correct.