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For every other product the default stance is to try to get maximum features out of minimum price. With housing its the literal opposite. People take pride in h
by donkeybeer 8mo ago
For every other product the default stance is to try to get maximum features out of minimum price. With housing its the literal opposite. People take pride in how expensive houses are. Houses are treated as investments because houses are expensive. People won't worry about houses getting cheaper after they bought it if houses were like a toothbrush or a razor blade. Give me reasons why housing shouldn't be turned into a product so cheap and by default decent quality that people buy and throw it? You may say its hard or impossible, but would you say its a bad goal in itself?
- toomuchtodo 8mo agoI don’t have to give you reasons, those putting forth these proposals have their reasons and potentially the votes required to pass it. Economic rationality or consideration of potential immigrants wanting inexpensive housing somewhere they aren’t a citizen are not factors. If Switzerland doesn’t want high population density throughout their country for quality of life reasons, that’s a choice, through their votes. If you don’t have a vote, you don’t get a say. There’s 8B+ humans on the planet and that will peak between ~9-10B before the end of the century, not everyone is going to get to live where they want to live during their life and runtime on the timeline. Is it sad and/or unfortunate? It just is.
- donkeybeer 8mo agoIts the opposite of quality of life. Immigrants are irrelevant to it. Higher housing costs benefit nobody, local or immigrant. In no place in earth are housing costs coming down, so no matter immigrant or not we need to build housing at a mass scale just to have a fighting chance against rising prices. Making this about immigrants is bullshit. Refusing to build houses is utter bullshit, its the opposite of quality of life. It leads to crap quality of life and then people whine and cry and ask for more self destructive crap further spiraling into crap. Making houses cheap benefits everyone, keeping houses expensive harms everyone.
- toomuchtodo 8mo agoAnd building over every piece of land available diminishes quality of life in someplace like Switzerland with physically constrained geography.
- donkeybeer 8mo agoThen they should make death chambers for people if they think they are full. At 9 million people, they could choose to live nicely with 4000 sq m lots per person or they can keep crying about housing prices while not doing the one tried and tested solution capitalism offers to high prices. Even if we take out untenable mountain land, how much does that leave us? There is no place on earth that is lacking land for housing. Its a self created problem.
- donkeybeer 8mo agoTo keep things in context, this entire comment chain is downstream of someone complaining about housing prices.
- donkeybeer 8mo agoWho's to say they don't already have too much housing? People proposing this policy should lead by example and have their own houses demolished.
- donkeybeer 8mo agoLet us amend the plan of action. People proposing this policy should lead by example and kill themselves to show commitment to keeping population in check.