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This is also why the Teletype layout has parentheses on 8 and 9 unlike modem keyboards that have them on 9 and 0 (a layout popularised by the IBM Selectric). Th

by rbanffy 9mo ago

This is also why the Teletype layout has parentheses on 8 and 9 unlike modem keyboards that have them on 9 and 0 (a layout popularised by the IBM Selectric). The original Apple IIs had this same layout, with a “bell” on top of the G.

Terretta 9mo ago
What happened to this block and the keyboard key arrangement? ESC [ { 11011 FS \ | 11100 GS ] } 11101 Also curious why the keys open and close braces, but ... the single and double curly quotes don't open and close, but are stacked. Seems nuts every time I type Option-{ and Option-Shift-{ …
- kazinator 9mo ago
  You're no longer talking about ASCII. ASCII has only a double quote, apostrophe (which doubles as a single quote) and backtick/backquote. Note on your Mac that the Option-{ and Option-}, with and without Shift, produce quotes which are all distinct from the characters produced by your '/" key! They are Unicode characters not in ASCII. In the ASCII standard (1977 version here: https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/Legacy/FIPS/fipspub1-2-1977.pdf https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/Legacy/FIPS/fipspub1-2-197...) the example table shows a glyph for the double quote which is vertical: it is neither an opening nor closing quote. The apostrophe is shown as a closing quote, by slanting to the right; approximately a mirror image of the backtick. So it looks as though those two are intended to form an opening and closing pair. Except, in many terminal fonts, the apostrophe is a just vertical tick, like half of a double quote. The ' being veritcal helps programming language '...' literals not look weird.
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- jolmg 9mo ago
  > What happened to this block and the keyboard key arrangement? There's also these: | ASCII | US keyboard | |------------+-------------| | 041/0x21 ! | 1 ! | | 042/0x22 " | 2 @ | | 043/0x23 # | 3 # | | 044/0x24 $ | 4 $ | | 045/0x25 % | 5 % | | | 6 ^ | | 046/0x26 & | 7 & |
spragl 9mo ago
Modern keyboards = some keyboards. In the Nordic Countries modern keyboards have parantheses on 8 and 9.
- debugnik 9mo ago
  According to the layouts on this site, there're more European layouts with parenthesis on 8, 9 than on 9, 0. (I had to zoom out to see the right-side of the comparisons.) https://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/A-Visual-Comparison-of-Different-National-Layouts/ https://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/A-Visual-Comparison-of-Diff...
kps 9mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit-paired_keyboard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit-paired_keyboard

by rbanffy 9mo ago

Terretta 9mo ago

What happened to this block and the keyboard key arrangement? ESC [ { 11011 FS \ | 11100 GS ] } 11101 Also curious why the keys open and close braces, but ... the single and double curly quotes don't open and close, but are stacked. Seems nuts every time I type Option-{ and Option-Shift-{ …

kazinator 9mo ago
You're no longer talking about ASCII. ASCII has only a double quote, apostrophe (which doubles as a single quote) and backtick/backquote. Note on your Mac that the Option-{ and Option-}, with and without Shift, produce quotes which are all distinct from the characters produced by your '/" key! They are Unicode characters not in ASCII. In the ASCII standard (1977 version here: https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/Legacy/FIPS/fipspub1-2-1977.pdf https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/Legacy/FIPS/fipspub1-2-197...) the example table shows a glyph for the double quote which is vertical: it is neither an opening nor closing quote. The apostrophe is shown as a closing quote, by slanting to the right; approximately a mirror image of the backtick. So it looks as though those two are intended to form an opening and closing pair. Except, in many terminal fonts, the apostrophe is a just vertical tick, like half of a double quote. The ' being veritcal helps programming language '...' literals not look weird.
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jolmg 9mo ago
> What happened to this block and the keyboard key arrangement? There's also these: | ASCII | US keyboard | |------------+-------------| | 041/0x21 ! | 1 ! | | 042/0x22 " | 2 @ | | 043/0x23 # | 3 # | | 044/0x24 $ | 4 $ | | 045/0x25 % | 5 % | | | 6 ^ | | 046/0x26 & | 7 & |

spragl 9mo ago

Modern keyboards = some keyboards. In the Nordic Countries modern keyboards have parantheses on 8 and 9.

debugnik 9mo ago
According to the layouts on this site, there're more European layouts with parenthesis on 8, 9 than on 9, 0. (I had to zoom out to see the right-side of the comparisons.) https://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/A-Visual-Comparison-of-Different-National-Layouts/ https://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/A-Visual-Comparison-of-Diff...

kps 9mo ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit-paired_keyboard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit-paired_keyboard