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Look, if Apple can't manage to do a curated app store in a way that "works" for developers, if Microsoft can't manage to do it... maybe a curated app store isn'

by mcherm 14y ago

Look, if Apple can't manage to do a curated app store in a way that "works" for developers, if Microsoft can't manage to do it... maybe a curated app store isn't a good idea. I mean, it's obviously a good idea for whoever curates the app store (they can leverage their power in all kinds of ways), but perhaps the problems for developers is not because these companies are doing it poorly, but just that injecting a review process by a third party between the developer and their customers is NATURALLY bad for developers.

CookWithMe 14y ago
Agreed. Release early and often is well known and accepted in software engineering... yet some stores do their best to make that impossible.
WayneDB 14y ago
I don't want to have to go through anybody to be able to get my app to my customers. This tendency towards closed-off app stores is really depressing.
- run4yourlives 14y ago
  As a phone user though, I WANT you to be vetted, because I don't want your "stock quote app" to suddenly brick my phone unless I send you $59.99 to get the "fix". I don't trust you. I trust apple. Deal with it.
  - WayneDB 14y ago
    You don't download software off the net unless it's vetted first by Apple? Have you never installed Chrome, Office or Photoshop? Maybe you haven't considered the alternative. It's something that Apple users don't really get much of, but there's a thing called choice. Why can't we have an app store AND allow side-loading? That'd be a nice choice. That way, the people who want to trade freedom for security can do so and the people who want freedom can have it. A third option would be to allow competing app stores (as well as side-loading). You're on the wrong side in the war on general purpose computing. If you want to see general purpose computing go away, by all means...keep trading your freedoms in.
    - run4yourlives 14y ago
      > Have you never installed Chrome, Office or Photoshop? You are either completely ignorant of smartphone technology or deliberately missing the point. I just searched for weather on my iPhone. There are 4055 weather related apps to chose from. It isn't a problem. What's more, is that I know that all 4055 of those apps will in no way prevent me from using my phone 10 minutes after I install them. > Why can't we have an app store AND allow side-loading? Why can't we tackle people during a soccer game? Same shit. I've chosen to play by Apple's rules as many others have. I could also have chosen to play by Google's rules. When I play soccer or hockey, I choose to play by those rules as well. It makes for an overall more enjoyable experience. Just because I play a weekly soccer game and prefer you not to intrude with your revised soccer-rugby rules does not mean I will limit myself to never playing baseball, or that I don't appreciate your variation. It means that I'm perfectly content playing soccer. I'm perfectly content with my app-store only iPhone, thank you very much. You as a developer - if you want to play this on this field - need to abide by the rules the rest of use are already playing by. Otherwise, go find your own piece of grass and play whatever game you want there. When Apple starts forcing everyone to play soccer, come talk to me. If you want to play in the soccer tourney though, I expect you to play the right game. >You're on the wrong side in the war You know who says shit like this? Zealots. Unthinking, self righteous, dangerous zealots. Like the Taliban. Or the Tea Party. My phone is a fucking phone! It's not a damn religious crusade. There is no war to fight. There is no freedom to lose. I'm not trading liberty for security when I play soccer anymore than I'm doing so by making a fucking phone call.
      - WayneDB 14y ago
        You obviously don't understand smartphone tech because it's just a computer. > Why can't we tackle people during a soccer game? Same shit. Not really. There are no rules against complaining about Apple's rules. Customer complaints change rules. Apathetic people such as yourself, who just roll over and take it, are part of the problem. > My phone is a fucking phone! It's not a damn religious crusade. Then why did you respond to my original comment, as if I had offended you in some way? I said "I don't want to have to go through anybody to be able to get my app to my customers. This tendency towards closed-off app stores is really depressing." How exactly did my comment affect you? It sounds to me like you're on a crusade to get me to think just like you. I simply stated an opinion in response to someone else who shared my opinion. You, on the other hand, started off sounding like you were on a crusade.

by mcherm 14y ago

CookWithMe 14y ago

Agreed. Release early and often is well known and accepted in software engineering... yet some stores do their best to make that impossible.

WayneDB 14y ago

I don't want to have to go through anybody to be able to get my app to my customers. This tendency towards closed-off app stores is really depressing.

run4yourlives 14y ago
As a phone user though, I WANT you to be vetted, because I don't want your "stock quote app" to suddenly brick my phone unless I send you $59.99 to get the "fix". I don't trust you. I trust apple. Deal with it.
- WayneDB 14y ago
  You don't download software off the net unless it's vetted first by Apple? Have you never installed Chrome, Office or Photoshop? Maybe you haven't considered the alternative. It's something that Apple users don't really get much of, but there's a thing called choice. Why can't we have an app store AND allow side-loading? That'd be a nice choice. That way, the people who want to trade freedom for security can do so and the people who want freedom can have it. A third option would be to allow competing app stores (as well as side-loading). You're on the wrong side in the war on general purpose computing. If you want to see general purpose computing go away, by all means...keep trading your freedoms in.
  - run4yourlives 14y ago
    > Have you never installed Chrome, Office or Photoshop? You are either completely ignorant of smartphone technology or deliberately missing the point. I just searched for weather on my iPhone. There are 4055 weather related apps to chose from. It isn't a problem. What's more, is that I know that all 4055 of those apps will in no way prevent me from using my phone 10 minutes after I install them. > Why can't we have an app store AND allow side-loading? Why can't we tackle people during a soccer game? Same shit. I've chosen to play by Apple's rules as many others have. I could also have chosen to play by Google's rules. When I play soccer or hockey, I choose to play by those rules as well. It makes for an overall more enjoyable experience. Just because I play a weekly soccer game and prefer you not to intrude with your revised soccer-rugby rules does not mean I will limit myself to never playing baseball, or that I don't appreciate your variation. It means that I'm perfectly content playing soccer. I'm perfectly content with my app-store only iPhone, thank you very much. You as a developer - if you want to play this on this field - need to abide by the rules the rest of use are already playing by. Otherwise, go find your own piece of grass and play whatever game you want there. When Apple starts forcing everyone to play soccer, come talk to me. If you want to play in the soccer tourney though, I expect you to play the right game. >You're on the wrong side in the war You know who says shit like this? Zealots. Unthinking, self righteous, dangerous zealots. Like the Taliban. Or the Tea Party. My phone is a fucking phone! It's not a damn religious crusade. There is no war to fight. There is no freedom to lose. I'm not trading liberty for security when I play soccer anymore than I'm doing so by making a fucking phone call.
    - WayneDB 14y ago
      You obviously don't understand smartphone tech because it's just a computer. > Why can't we tackle people during a soccer game? Same shit. Not really. There are no rules against complaining about Apple's rules. Customer complaints change rules. Apathetic people such as yourself, who just roll over and take it, are part of the problem. > My phone is a fucking phone! It's not a damn religious crusade. Then why did you respond to my original comment, as if I had offended you in some way? I said "I don't want to have to go through anybody to be able to get my app to my customers. This tendency towards closed-off app stores is really depressing." How exactly did my comment affect you? It sounds to me like you're on a crusade to get me to think just like you. I simply stated an opinion in response to someone else who shared my opinion. You, on the other hand, started off sounding like you were on a crusade.