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>The issue isn’t the actual network connection between people, it is the content. Everyone serving a website is being ddos by AI agents right now. A local mes

by noosphr 9mo ago

>The issue isn’t the actual network connection between people, it is the content. Everyone serving a website is being ddos by AI agents right now. A local mesh network is one way to make sure that no one with a terabit network can index you.

pphysch 9mo ago
Then firewall traffic that doesn't come from your local ISP blocks or authenticated users.
lowtidebridge 9mo ago
You could set up two way TLS with client certificates
- mycall 9mo ago
  That isn't good enough and could be DDoS'd as well.
  - _yclj 9mo ago
    [dead]
  - direwolf20 9mo ago
    There's a dead comment here saying that OpenAI doesn't just DDoS the internet because it can. That's true. Any supposed DDoS is a side effect or incompetent scraping, and won't affect anything they can't scrape. Not sure why it's dead — it's important to realise this. Edit: oh, it's probably dead because of the username
1over137 9mo ago
Could you just geoblock the USA? Is most/all AI agent scraping from there?
- kyleee 9mo ago
  No
- efilife 9mo ago
  Geoblocking is nontrivial
- OrderlyTiamat 9mo ago
  If it's a mesh network your peers are tech savvy enough for a mesh vpn like wireguard, which also doesn't get ai-ddos'ed.
mycall 9mo ago
Make it private invite only behind Cloudflare
- olyjohn 9mo ago
  Oh yes, just let Cloudflare solve all of our problems. Fuck this. We shouldn't have to rely on yet another huge company to fix this for us.
_yclj 9mo ago
[dead]
hnarn 9mo ago
>The issue isn’t the actual network connection between people, it is the content. >>Everyone serving a website is being ddos by AI agents right now. You’re missing the point, the point is that while mesh networks solve a problem, it’s not required to solve the problem ”I’m tired of the Internet” or ”I’m being indexed”. You can build your own network on top of the Internet with zero new hardware required, with something like wireguard, i2p or whatever.
- Sophira 9mo ago
  I don't think they ever claimed that it was the only way to solve the problem, just that they're doing it and it works for them.
Bender 9mo ago
I was able to block them on my silly hobby domains. Most of them were already blocked to begin with from blocking other shenanigans over the years. Even something as simple as blocking anyone that does not support HTTP/2.0 takes out most bots. Adding basic-auth also stops most of what gets through. Blocking TCP-SYN with strange MSS values cuts out many before they can even touch the web daemon.

by noosphr 9mo ago

pphysch 9mo ago

Then firewall traffic that doesn't come from your local ISP blocks or authenticated users.

lowtidebridge 9mo ago

You could set up two way TLS with client certificates

mycall 9mo ago
That isn't good enough and could be DDoS'd as well.
- _yclj 9mo ago
  [dead]
- direwolf20 9mo ago
  There's a dead comment here saying that OpenAI doesn't just DDoS the internet because it can. That's true. Any supposed DDoS is a side effect or incompetent scraping, and won't affect anything they can't scrape. Not sure why it's dead — it's important to realise this. Edit: oh, it's probably dead because of the username

1over137 9mo ago

Could you just geoblock the USA? Is most/all AI agent scraping from there?

kyleee 9mo ago
No
efilife 9mo ago
Geoblocking is nontrivial
OrderlyTiamat 9mo ago
If it's a mesh network your peers are tech savvy enough for a mesh vpn like wireguard, which also doesn't get ai-ddos'ed.

mycall 9mo ago

Make it private invite only behind Cloudflare

olyjohn 9mo ago
Oh yes, just let Cloudflare solve all of our problems. Fuck this. We shouldn't have to rely on yet another huge company to fix this for us.

_yclj 9mo ago

[dead]

hnarn 9mo ago

>The issue isn’t the actual network connection between people, it is the content. >>Everyone serving a website is being ddos by AI agents right now. You’re missing the point, the point is that while mesh networks solve a problem, it’s not required to solve the problem ”I’m tired of the Internet” or ”I’m being indexed”. You can build your own network on top of the Internet with zero new hardware required, with something like wireguard, i2p or whatever.

Sophira 9mo ago
I don't think they ever claimed that it was the only way to solve the problem, just that they're doing it and it works for them.

Bender 9mo ago

I was able to block them on my silly hobby domains. Most of them were already blocked to begin with from blocking other shenanigans over the years. Even something as simple as blocking anyone that does not support HTTP/2.0 takes out most bots. Adding basic-auth also stops most of what gets through. Blocking TCP-SYN with strange MSS values cuts out many before they can even touch the web daemon.