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As a die-hard vim fan, I feel bitter-sour saying that I switched to nvim. Honestly, I think the vim maintainers should find a way to merge in nvim.

by gfiorav 8mo ago

sodapopcan 8mo ago
I don't think that will ever happen. They have already diverged in key ways. I'm more than happy with vim9 and where it is going, personally.
3eb7988a1663 8mo ago
NeoVim tossed significant amounts of legacy code (eg 8.3 filename support) and greatly improved out of the box default configuration. You cannot merge the two without upsetting one camp or the other. Vim wants to continue to be a stable platform that runs on 40 year old hardware. NeoVIM wanted to ditch the cruft that no longer makes applies.
- kyleee 8mo ago
  I say we embrace the diversity of both
e-khadem 8mo ago
I think not adding new features frequently and keeping everything stable and working in the long-term is also meritorious. Vim is the same on my local machine, on my rpi, and on an Ubuntu 20.04 VM that I use for some proprietary software. Also, I cannot think of an extension / new feature that makes sense as a part of Vim (if I want something more, I want a lot more. I don't want Vim to do a lot more, for the sake of simplicity and conformity, that's a job for vscode with Vim extension). At the same time I wouldn't object to someone adding features to this program. But they have to try really hard to convince me to start relying on that feature (I wouldn't, because I would miss it on Ubuntu 20.04 and I will forget how I used to work without that feature). I tried nvim a few years ago and honestly didn't find anything advantageous there. But since I had `:sh` in muscle memory and it was a bit (very?) different there I gave up on nvim.
sigzero 8mo ago
Has neovim settles on a UI yet?
- mystifyingpoi 8mo ago
  What do you mean? Neovim looks 100% exactly like Vim when you turn it on without any plugins. It's hard to distinguish even. It's the plugins that give it that nerdy look.
  - tuan 8mo ago
    they probably mean GUI app like GVim and MacVim
    - paradox460 8mo ago
      I personally wish they'd resurrect elvis
      - gilcot 8mo ago
        I loved using it to write and browse my html files. It can do troff too <3
andrewla 8mo ago
I have also switched to nvim, but every release I consider moving back. Honestly a lot of this is that I hate Lua. With so much of the infrastructure moving in that direction it's basically unavoidable. XDG support was honestly one of the things holding me back; I'm glad that this is finally fixed.
- sodapopcan 8mo ago
  XDG was added somewhat quietly almost two years ago now. It was announced on www.vim.org but that was it as far as I know. They don't keep news that far back but here's the commit: https://github.com/vim/vim/commit/c9df1fb35 https://github.com/vim/vim/commit/c9df1fb35
- lenkite 8mo ago
  Lua is one of those languages, where the more I code in it, the more I dislike it. It always trips me up. Just too used to modern type safety, ergonomics and zero-indexing.
synergy20 8mo ago
I use vim and nvim in parallel, just ask init.nvim to read from ~/.vimrc, all is good

As a die-hard vim fan, I feel bitter-sour saying that I switched to nvim. Honestly, I think the vim maintainers should find a way to merge in nvim.

by gfiorav 8mo ago

As a die-hard vim fan, I feel bitter-sour saying that I switched to nvim. Honestly, I think the vim maintainers should find a way to merge in nvim.

sodapopcan 8mo ago

I don't think that will ever happen. They have already diverged in key ways. I'm more than happy with vim9 and where it is going, personally.

3eb7988a1663 8mo ago

NeoVim tossed significant amounts of legacy code (eg 8.3 filename support) and greatly improved out of the box default configuration. You cannot merge the two without upsetting one camp or the other. Vim wants to continue to be a stable platform that runs on 40 year old hardware. NeoVIM wanted to ditch the cruft that no longer makes applies.

kyleee 8mo ago
I say we embrace the diversity of both

e-khadem 8mo ago

I think not adding new features frequently and keeping everything stable and working in the long-term is also meritorious. Vim is the same on my local machine, on my rpi, and on an Ubuntu 20.04 VM that I use for some proprietary software. Also, I cannot think of an extension / new feature that makes sense as a part of Vim (if I want something more, I want a lot more. I don't want Vim to do a lot more, for the sake of simplicity and conformity, that's a job for vscode with Vim extension). At the same time I wouldn't object to someone adding features to this program. But they have to try really hard to convince me to start relying on that feature (I wouldn't, because I would miss it on Ubuntu 20.04 and I will forget how I used to work without that feature). I tried nvim a few years ago and honestly didn't find anything advantageous there. But since I had `:sh` in muscle memory and it was a bit (very?) different there I gave up on nvim.

sigzero 8mo ago

Has neovim settles on a UI yet?

mystifyingpoi 8mo ago
What do you mean? Neovim looks 100% exactly like Vim when you turn it on without any plugins. It's hard to distinguish even. It's the plugins that give it that nerdy look.
- tuan 8mo ago
  they probably mean GUI app like GVim and MacVim
  - paradox460 8mo ago
    I personally wish they'd resurrect elvis
    - gilcot 8mo ago
      I loved using it to write and browse my html files. It can do troff too <3

andrewla 8mo ago

I have also switched to nvim, but every release I consider moving back. Honestly a lot of this is that I hate Lua. With so much of the infrastructure moving in that direction it's basically unavoidable. XDG support was honestly one of the things holding me back; I'm glad that this is finally fixed.

sodapopcan 8mo ago
XDG was added somewhat quietly almost two years ago now. It was announced on www.vim.org but that was it as far as I know. They don't keep news that far back but here's the commit: https://github.com/vim/vim/commit/c9df1fb35 https://github.com/vim/vim/commit/c9df1fb35
lenkite 8mo ago
Lua is one of those languages, where the more I code in it, the more I dislike it. It always trips me up. Just too used to modern type safety, ergonomics and zero-indexing.

synergy20 8mo ago

I use vim and nvim in parallel, just ask init.nvim to read from ~/.vimrc, all is good