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Why would it be suicide? Do you consider California or New York "dead" because they became part of the US? I might also point out you didn't address how you wo

Why would it be suicide? Do you consider California or New York "dead" because they became part of the US? I might also point out you didn't address how you would solve for the much more urgent Russian threat.

mytailorisrich 8mo ago
I think you are being purposedly obtuse. To give up being an independent and sovereign country to become a province of a federal EU is indeed national suicide, literally. It's choosing death as a country. Facing he "Russian threat" obviously does not require this, this is a transparent fallacy and scare tactic to push the EU narrative. Europe faced a worse Russian threat during the Cold War without giving up national sovereignty. Cooperation and military alliances do not require national suicide. Your replies are very good illustrations of the dellusion and, really post-truth disinformation we are constantly fed in Europe, unfortunately if you do believe what you write. This is becoming very sinister. The Baltic states used to be in the USSR so I doubt that they would be willing to surrender their sovereignty again. Perhaps that's exactly why the people are never asked if that's what they want!
- saubeidl 8mo ago
  Note that you didn't answer my question about California and New York. Did they "commit suicide?" as a country means nothing. countries are just bureaucratic units, just like states are.
- TFYS 8mo ago
  > Europe faced a worse Russian threat during the Cold War without giving up national sovereignty. That's because Europe could rely on the power of the US back then. If the US was just a patchwork of small independent states, Europe would very likely be a part of USSR now. > Cooperation and military alliances do not require national suicide. It may if your opponent is a single large country. Cooperation between many nations each looking out for their own best interests is a lot lot harder and slower than a single command structure. An alliance like that can't win against a more united enemy. The enemy can simply focus on manipulating the small weak countries individually to hamstring the alliance, as has been happening. I would not want to be a small country caught between larger powers fighting each other, that's never a good position to be in. You'll just be a pawn on the board, getting pushed into proxy wars and civil wars by the bigger powers playing the game. I'd rather give up sovereignty willingly to be a part of a large power and a player in the game, and not on the board being played.

mytailorisrich 8mo ago

I think you are being purposedly obtuse. To give up being an independent and sovereign country to become a province of a federal EU is indeed national suicide, literally. It's choosing death as a country. Facing he "Russian threat" obviously does not require this, this is a transparent fallacy and scare tactic to push the EU narrative. Europe faced a worse Russian threat during the Cold War without giving up national sovereignty. Cooperation and military alliances do not require national suicide. Your replies are very good illustrations of the dellusion and, really post-truth disinformation we are constantly fed in Europe, unfortunately if you do believe what you write. This is becoming very sinister. The Baltic states used to be in the USSR so I doubt that they would be willing to surrender their sovereignty again. Perhaps that's exactly why the people are never asked if that's what they want!

saubeidl 8mo ago
Note that you didn't answer my question about California and New York. Did they "commit suicide?" as a country means nothing. countries are just bureaucratic units, just like states are.
TFYS 8mo ago
> Europe faced a worse Russian threat during the Cold War without giving up national sovereignty. That's because Europe could rely on the power of the US back then. If the US was just a patchwork of small independent states, Europe would very likely be a part of USSR now. > Cooperation and military alliances do not require national suicide. It may if your opponent is a single large country. Cooperation between many nations each looking out for their own best interests is a lot lot harder and slower than a single command structure. An alliance like that can't win against a more united enemy. The enemy can simply focus on manipulating the small weak countries individually to hamstring the alliance, as has been happening. I would not want to be a small country caught between larger powers fighting each other, that's never a good position to be in. You'll just be a pawn on the board, getting pushed into proxy wars and civil wars by the bigger powers playing the game. I'd rather give up sovereignty willingly to be a part of a large power and a player in the game, and not on the board being played.