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Typical right wing popularism to divide people and ignore the fact they have no actual solutions. Racism is bad people. This will hurt people living in Switzer

Typical right wing popularism to divide people and ignore the fact they have no actual solutions. Racism is bad people. This will hurt people living in Switzerland today and those who end up there in the future.

Mountain_Skies 8mo ago
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- rimbo789 8mo ago
  I said nothing about cheap labour. People should get to move and live where they want. If Switzerland has a lack of infrastructure it should build more, not xenophobically cap its population. You can’t freeze a society in amber.
  - 9x39 8mo ago
    This view reduces countries to nothing more than oversized hotels or economic zones, as if they don’t have communities that go back many generations and who would fight or die to defend the borders. Think this through: If the world likes your real estate, they can just come in and take it over overnight? Borders suddenly don’t matter? Pop caps can easily be understood as visa or naturalization buffers. Hysteria doesn’t help.
    - rimbo789 8mo ago
      Nationalism and borders have done very little for humanity. The world would be a better place if we defined our communities by how we welcomed people and not by who we excluded
      - 9x39 8mo ago
        If that was the case, there would be no need to worry about migrating to the area formerly-known-as-Switzerland to be among its people, would there? The people who clamor for moving there now could simply remake what they imagine liking about it in another area - careful not to erect borders or engender any kind of pride or loyalty to what they build, naturally.
        donkeybeer 8mo ago
        I support anti nationalism all over the world. The rest of the countries are shitty too. I still am yet to see what good nationalism and religon have given us in balance against the huge negatives they have bred.
    - donkeybeer 8mo ago
      Do you own that land? If you don't, then its not your land and not for you to decide what to do with it. Where has anyone proposed taking over someone's land?
      - 9x39 8mo ago
        The Swiss own Switzerland, to clear this up.
        donkeybeer 8mo ago
        Which swiss owns switzerland? Switzerland is 42000 sq km. Can you show me land deeds by owners that cover the entire area?
        9x39 8mo ago
        Well, you can start with Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantons_of_Switzerland#Constitutions_and_powers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantons_of_Switzerland#Constit... Then, you could reach out to the Cantons and ask about individual parcels or titles. We can measure whether they have ownership by testing if they respond to trespass, maybe by constructing a building and seeing they mobilize a response. Where do you want to move the goalposts next?
        donkeybeer 8mo ago
        You are the one who made this really odd claim, you do the homework and show me, otherwise retract your nonsense. Who is they? Unless they physically own a title to the land the building was being made on, why should they get any say? You are the one said swiss "own" switzerland, so you need to show me the sum total of all private land deeds covers the entirely of switzerland. Not your land, not your decision. And unless you can produce an actual land deed, "trespass" is completely bullshit.
  - b0rtb0rt 8mo ago
    > People should get to move and live where they want. why?
    - donkeybeer 8mo ago
      why not?
ahtihn 8mo ago
Most of the immigration is French, German, Italian. This isn't about racism. This is about unchecked immigration putting a strain on infrastructure and people feeling like they're losing their identity. This initiative is stupid but the underlying problem is real: we're letting in too many people too fast.
rdm_blackhole 8mo ago
Why always bringing back everything to racism? The people of Switzerland want to maintain the look an feel of their country as it is. How is racism the first thing you think of when no one mentionned race?
- thrance 8mo ago
  Because it is motivated by racism, and you can't pretend otherwise. This is pure slopulism. https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/1awmq1a/a_collection_of_posters_of_the_rightwing_populist/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/1awmq1a/...
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Mountain_Skies 8mo ago

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rimbo789 8mo ago
I said nothing about cheap labour. People should get to move and live where they want. If Switzerland has a lack of infrastructure it should build more, not xenophobically cap its population. You can’t freeze a society in amber.
- 9x39 8mo ago
  This view reduces countries to nothing more than oversized hotels or economic zones, as if they don’t have communities that go back many generations and who would fight or die to defend the borders. Think this through: If the world likes your real estate, they can just come in and take it over overnight? Borders suddenly don’t matter? Pop caps can easily be understood as visa or naturalization buffers. Hysteria doesn’t help.
  - rimbo789 8mo ago
    Nationalism and borders have done very little for humanity. The world would be a better place if we defined our communities by how we welcomed people and not by who we excluded
    - 9x39 8mo ago
      If that was the case, there would be no need to worry about migrating to the area formerly-known-as-Switzerland to be among its people, would there? The people who clamor for moving there now could simply remake what they imagine liking about it in another area - careful not to erect borders or engender any kind of pride or loyalty to what they build, naturally.
      - donkeybeer 8mo ago
        I support anti nationalism all over the world. The rest of the countries are shitty too. I still am yet to see what good nationalism and religon have given us in balance against the huge negatives they have bred.
  - donkeybeer 8mo ago
    Do you own that land? If you don't, then its not your land and not for you to decide what to do with it. Where has anyone proposed taking over someone's land?
    - 9x39 8mo ago
      The Swiss own Switzerland, to clear this up.
      - donkeybeer 8mo ago
        Which swiss owns switzerland? Switzerland is 42000 sq km. Can you show me land deeds by owners that cover the entire area?
        9x39 8mo ago
        Well, you can start with Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantons_of_Switzerland#Constitutions_and_powers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantons_of_Switzerland#Constit... Then, you could reach out to the Cantons and ask about individual parcels or titles. We can measure whether they have ownership by testing if they respond to trespass, maybe by constructing a building and seeing they mobilize a response. Where do you want to move the goalposts next?
        donkeybeer 8mo ago
        You are the one who made this really odd claim, you do the homework and show me, otherwise retract your nonsense. Who is they? Unless they physically own a title to the land the building was being made on, why should they get any say? You are the one said swiss "own" switzerland, so you need to show me the sum total of all private land deeds covers the entirely of switzerland. Not your land, not your decision. And unless you can produce an actual land deed, "trespass" is completely bullshit.
- b0rtb0rt 8mo ago
  > People should get to move and live where they want. why?
  - donkeybeer 8mo ago
    why not?

ahtihn 8mo ago

Most of the immigration is French, German, Italian. This isn't about racism. This is about unchecked immigration putting a strain on infrastructure and people feeling like they're losing their identity. This initiative is stupid but the underlying problem is real: we're letting in too many people too fast.

rdm_blackhole 8mo ago

Why always bringing back everything to racism? The people of Switzerland want to maintain the look an feel of their country as it is. How is racism the first thing you think of when no one mentionned race?

thrance 8mo ago
Because it is motivated by racism, and you can't pretend otherwise. This is pure slopulism. https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/1awmq1a/a_collection_of_posters_of_the_rightwing_populist/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/1awmq1a/...
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