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They brought this upon themselves, so no empathy from me. They are a disorganized bunch of immature young activists, who in a streak of megalomania abandoned t

They brought this upon themselves, so no empathy from me. They are a disorganized bunch of immature young activists, who in a streak of megalomania abandoned their strict focus on IT related topics and it just fell apart. Sympathetic face of Pirate Party stepped down due to stress, Party was too slow to react to anything going on, Major Pirate Party Member faces drug allegations, at the same time they try to create some sort of grand program what they seem to not be able to achieve, and their views on political subjects other than the Internet are unrealistic, to say the least (some smart children wouldn't write such drivel). So as somebody who has passively witnessed their decline: Their fault! You could call their decline natural political selection :D

lumberjack 14y ago
>They are a disorganized bunch of immature young activists, who in a streak of megalomania abandoned their strict focus on IT related topics and it just fell apart. But isn't that the nature of the culture that they arose from? I think it's more that conventional politics are incompatible with the culture of the Internet where there are no well defined parties, everybody can think for themselves and everything is disorganized and that's not a bad thing.
- mhd 14y ago
  "Culture of the internet"? Theirs is actually a problem old as dirt. We're talking about a broad, participatory democracy vs. elected officials and representatives. Look at Switzerland, who are one of the few countries actually getting by with a semblance of the latter. But mostly it's not exactly considered an efficient alternative to current systems, something that proponents would have to work on hard to disprove it. And Occupy hand signals don't really help here. The Pirate Party needed to prove that their approach is working internally before they make it a general policy, and it seems they have failed. And apart from the organizational chaos, it also seems to be a lack of passion. There's no really grand unifying consensus for the party, beyond "copyright is bad", which ain't something that really gets your blood boiling (like basic human rights, saving the environment or making sure that God has his rightful place etc.). A lot of the so-called "scandals" about party members was mostly them showing that they're not willing to sacrifice too much for the sake of the party, if I remember correctly. If they want to emulate some internet access, they probably need a Linus Torvalds. Right now, they appear closer to 4chan. Having a dedicated Brony time doesn't really help that picture.

lumberjack 14y ago

>They are a disorganized bunch of immature young activists, who in a streak of megalomania abandoned their strict focus on IT related topics and it just fell apart. But isn't that the nature of the culture that they arose from? I think it's more that conventional politics are incompatible with the culture of the Internet where there are no well defined parties, everybody can think for themselves and everything is disorganized and that's not a bad thing.

mhd 14y ago
"Culture of the internet"? Theirs is actually a problem old as dirt. We're talking about a broad, participatory democracy vs. elected officials and representatives. Look at Switzerland, who are one of the few countries actually getting by with a semblance of the latter. But mostly it's not exactly considered an efficient alternative to current systems, something that proponents would have to work on hard to disprove it. And Occupy hand signals don't really help here. The Pirate Party needed to prove that their approach is working internally before they make it a general policy, and it seems they have failed. And apart from the organizational chaos, it also seems to be a lack of passion. There's no really grand unifying consensus for the party, beyond "copyright is bad", which ain't something that really gets your blood boiling (like basic human rights, saving the environment or making sure that God has his rightful place etc.). A lot of the so-called "scandals" about party members was mostly them showing that they're not willing to sacrifice too much for the sake of the party, if I remember correctly. If they want to emulate some internet access, they probably need a Linus Torvalds. Right now, they appear closer to 4chan. Having a dedicated Brony time doesn't really help that picture.