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Are we also going to target in app advertising? If not, every website will just tell you you must use their app

dahart 9mo ago
In this hypothetical scenario, why are you assuming in-app advertising would be any different from browser advertising? Re-read @phire’s comment above; the proposal was to get rid of targeted advertising that uses your personal data to make advertising decisions. I assumed that would apply to all advertising channels, including both web and in-app ads, otherwise you’d be right and it probably wouldn’t work.
- raw_anon_1111 9mo ago
  Are you also going to ban websites that aren’t hosted by the US from being seen in the US that have advertising?
  - dahart 9mo ago
    Why are you assuming that the hosting locale is even relevant? I’m not going to ban anything, but if @phire’s idea was law, it would probably ban anything advertiser from choosing which ads to show you based on your personal data. It’s irrelevant where the ads or site is hosted, I assume. If ads from foreign countries don’t target individuals, their ads would be legal. If ads from foreign countries, or from the US, use your posts to choose which ads they think you’ll engage with, that wouldn’t be allowed under @phire’s proposal. Is @phire’s suggestion confusing?
    - raw_anon_1111 9mo ago
      How are you going to police foreign countries? If they don’t comply are you going to tell ISPs they must block any foreign site that has targeted ads?
      - dahart 9mo ago
        I don’t know, maybe by not showing the targeted ads? By putting legal liability on the US based advertising channels & distributors? By making it illegal for US sites to share an individual’s tracking and history information with advertisers? I can imagine a lot of ways this might work. Again, why are foreign sites relevant, and why does this idea seem hard to grasp?
        raw_anon_1111 9mo ago
        Because the internet exists outside of the US and you can get to foreign sites on the Internet? Do we tell US companies they can’t buy advertising on foreign sites and that those foreign sites can’t be accesed from the US? We have an existence proof of what happens when a government tries to restrict what people can see on the internet. I live in one of the states that require porn sites to validate ID. If you add all of the sites that ignored the law completely and all of the sites that you can access via a VPN, the number you get is 100%
        dahart 9mo ago
        We also have an existence proof that region-specific laws can change web advertising practices globally with the GDPR.
        raw_anon_1111 9mo ago
        The only thing that the GDPR has done outside of the EU is annoying cookie banners.
        dahart 9mo ago
        False.
        raw_anon_1111 9mo ago
        How has the GDPR changed the practices of any company outside of the EU? If you think the GDPR and cookie banners on every website is an argument for more government regulating, is that the argument you really want to be making?

In this hypothetical scenario, why are you assuming in-app advertising would be any different from browser advertising? Re-read @phire’s comment above; the proposal was to get rid of targeted advertising that uses your personal data to make advertising decisions. I assumed that would apply to all advertising channels, including both web and in-app ads, otherwise you’d be right and it probably wouldn’t work.

raw_anon_1111 9mo ago
Are you also going to ban websites that aren’t hosted by the US from being seen in the US that have advertising?
- dahart 9mo ago
  Why are you assuming that the hosting locale is even relevant? I’m not going to ban anything, but if @phire’s idea was law, it would probably ban anything advertiser from choosing which ads to show you based on your personal data. It’s irrelevant where the ads or site is hosted, I assume. If ads from foreign countries don’t target individuals, their ads would be legal. If ads from foreign countries, or from the US, use your posts to choose which ads they think you’ll engage with, that wouldn’t be allowed under @phire’s proposal. Is @phire’s suggestion confusing?
  - raw_anon_1111 9mo ago
    How are you going to police foreign countries? If they don’t comply are you going to tell ISPs they must block any foreign site that has targeted ads?
    - dahart 9mo ago
      I don’t know, maybe by not showing the targeted ads? By putting legal liability on the US based advertising channels & distributors? By making it illegal for US sites to share an individual’s tracking and history information with advertisers? I can imagine a lot of ways this might work. Again, why are foreign sites relevant, and why does this idea seem hard to grasp?
      - raw_anon_1111 9mo ago
        Because the internet exists outside of the US and you can get to foreign sites on the Internet? Do we tell US companies they can’t buy advertising on foreign sites and that those foreign sites can’t be accesed from the US? We have an existence proof of what happens when a government tries to restrict what people can see on the internet. I live in one of the states that require porn sites to validate ID. If you add all of the sites that ignored the law completely and all of the sites that you can access via a VPN, the number you get is 100%
        dahart 9mo ago
        We also have an existence proof that region-specific laws can change web advertising practices globally with the GDPR.
        raw_anon_1111 9mo ago
        The only thing that the GDPR has done outside of the EU is annoying cookie banners.
        dahart 9mo ago
        False.
        raw_anon_1111 9mo ago
        How has the GDPR changed the practices of any company outside of the EU? If you think the GDPR and cookie banners on every website is an argument for more government regulating, is that the argument you really want to be making?