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64+2 core Parallella board offered for pledges above $750 on Kickstarter

70 points by visionscaper 14y ago

alexchamberlain 14y ago
It's asking a lot to raise $150000 in 33 hours...
- visionscaper 14y ago
  Yes it is. However, I've followed the funding progress in the last few hours and it's really increasing fast. I really do hope it works out. I really see a lot of potential for (clusters of) these boards for machine perception and other neural computing applications.
- madmaze 14y ago
  True, im afraid its unlikely they will make it. I would really like this Kickstarter campaign and ultimately this project to succeed, but I believe they have not delivered sufficient proof that they are capable of delivering the product they are promising. If this post manages to stay on the front page, they may get enough traction, but still unlikely
  - visionscaper 14y ago
    Hi Madmaze, why do you think that they have not delivered sufficient proof?
  - astrodust 14y ago
    Well, I guess you were wrong. $850K when I just checked. This is not to say the idea is good, though. It does seem like an extraordinary price premium for something that's available through other means.
- callmevlad 14y ago
  A lot more has been raised in a lot less time. Lockitron comes to mind. As of now, with 23 hours left to go, they are only short $25K, so it seems almost inevitable that the target will be met.
  - duskwuff 14y ago
    And as of now, with 18 hours to go, they're over the line at $766K.
ZenoArrow 14y ago
It's definitely possible to raise this money. The rate of funding has increased a lot over the past day or so. Think about it like this, if they average about $4600 an hour for the next 32 hours they'll make $147200 more, which will take them over the goal. Watch the funding for an hour or two and you'll see it's definitely going to be close to making it, just need an extra push to get there.
- ZenoArrow 14y ago
  Just to follow up on this, if you'd like a visual representation the funding pattern over the duration of the project, the graph found here will be of interest: http://canhekick.it/project/5064d31d8f647c24e5ad60d0 http://canhekick.it/project/5064d31d8f647c24e5ad60d0
  - visionscaper 14y ago
    Great graph! So, through linear extrapolation, if the current funding rate is maintained the project should just reach its funding goal.
    - ZenoArrow 14y ago
      It looks that way. However, it's too early to rest on our laurels. Thank you for creating this news post by the way. :-)
  - dwwoelfel 14y ago
    That's my site! I set the Parallella project to update every 5 minutes instead of every hour, but the website serves the project page from a TTL-cache with a 1 hour expiration. If you want to see a more up-to-date graph, you can hit up the API: http://api.canhekick.it/graph.svg?id=5064d31d8f647c24e5ad60d0&width=600 http://api.canhekick.it/graph.svg?id=5064d31d8f647c24e5ad60d... Added in edit: Anyone is welcome to make use of the API in their own applications. There is documentation[1] and I'm very accessible if you have unique requirements. [1] http://canhekick.it/api-docs http://canhekick.it/api-docs
sami36 14y ago
Most high-profile Kickstarter projects raise 20 % or more of their total pledges in the last 48 hours. If you check the pledge total trendline on Kicktraq , you'll see that it aligns pretty close with that number. I disagree with a previous commenter. They've delivered enough proof as far as their ability to deliver. The problem is their "old" pitch was targeted towards developers & there is just not enough of these on Kickstarter to raise 750k, only yesterday did they fine-tune their selling points & replaced the project video with one that's more likely to resonate with mainstream users (Ubuntu, media center, a Rapsberry Pi on roids etc..) I wish them nothing but the best.
jws 14y ago
There is only so much mindshare that can fit in a headline, but don't forget that there is also a 28k logic cell FPGA on that ARM processor. This board has about everything you could want in a hardware hacking board. • Normal, well supported, ARM processors for the easy stuff. USB and HDMI in case you want to interact. • Gigabit ethernet. Most ARM boards you find are 100mbit. • Sanely programmable array of processors for bulk processing. • FPGA for heavy hacking. Also very handy for interfacing to devices, let it handle the low level timing sensitive stuff. • About 40 GPIO, but since they are connected to the FPGA you can turn them into higher level interfaces. It appears that the HDMI output is built this way. • Community momentum. There are 3400 people behind this already. 5 signed up while I was spell checking this comment.
- dkhenry 14y ago
  However if I read their block diagrams correctly you can't use the FPGA and the Epiphany at the same time ( e.g. they use the FPGA to interface with the Epihpany Core ). Still if they give easy access to reprogram the FPGA they not only made an awesome Parallel computer, but also the only platform I know of to easily get into FPGA hacking. The FPGA is the most under reported part of this project.
  - adapteva 14y ago
    We didn't focus on the FPGA because the project was more about parallel programming methods, but it's an open platform so the adventurous ones can hack and modify it freely.
  - jws 14y ago
    In the Kickstarter updates there is a link to a paper about using the FPGA to both interface to a digital radio front end and the Epiphany, so I assume that the Epiphany logic doesn't consume the whole FPGA and that they make source available for you to extend.
  - lonetech 14y ago
    The FPGA is indeed doing the glue logic to the Epiphany, but that's only one of its functions; there's plenty of space left for other jobs, one of which is HDMI output. They do plan easy access to reprogram the FPGA, but since Xilinx synthesis tools are only available on x86, you'll also need a PC to make new FPGA configurations.
johanvdp 14y ago
I have no doubt they can deliver (the engineering samples do work) but the target audience is small and until there are multiple working applications. The concept, general purpose parallel computing, is the way forward. So if you like to learn and tinker, this is one of the few if not only way to get access a development board at a very low cost. Backing them does not cost you anything if the pledge is not successful. If you want to have access to a cheap development board then back them. I do.
xradionut 14y ago
I'd like to see them succeed. The sweet spot I would love to use for this technology would be portable SDR, just like one of their app notes states. It's a pain dragging a powerful laptop into the field just to do some rote signal processing for an radio.
jivatmanx 14y ago
What uses would something like this have? What types of tasks are processor intensive? Video encoding, speech/face recognition? Computation that normally a GPU would do? I bought a 16/core but I'm not sure what I'll use it for other than to run Linux. I really hope that someone develops a distributed computing client (for Folding/Boinc) that would run on this and take advantage of it. Than I would buy a 64/core
- visionscaper 14y ago
  More and more consumer applications need high computing performance and a tighter integration of memory and computation. You already mentioned a few examples yourself. However, I think that the most interesting thing about this parallel computing platform is that it's completely open. This will allow a community formed around it to create new, unthought of, innovative, applications with it. Edit : improved wording
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Vivtek 14y ago
Huh. They've picked up over $50K as I've been watching. I think they'll make it, at this point - they're over $700K.
- visionscaper 14y ago
  Yes, this morning when I submitted this thread, funding was around $595K. Amazing how fast the funding rate picked up!
SamuelKillin 14y ago
Man, they've been pushing this hard and it looks like it will pay off. They'll make the 750. Raising 750k in 30 days is no small feat and is awesome market validation. This should really help them raise more investment and keep growing.

70 points by visionscaper 14y ago

alexchamberlain 14y ago

It's asking a lot to raise $150000 in 33 hours...

visionscaper 14y ago
Yes it is. However, I've followed the funding progress in the last few hours and it's really increasing fast. I really do hope it works out. I really see a lot of potential for (clusters of) these boards for machine perception and other neural computing applications.
madmaze 14y ago
True, im afraid its unlikely they will make it. I would really like this Kickstarter campaign and ultimately this project to succeed, but I believe they have not delivered sufficient proof that they are capable of delivering the product they are promising. If this post manages to stay on the front page, they may get enough traction, but still unlikely
- visionscaper 14y ago
  Hi Madmaze, why do you think that they have not delivered sufficient proof?
- astrodust 14y ago
  Well, I guess you were wrong. $850K when I just checked. This is not to say the idea is good, though. It does seem like an extraordinary price premium for something that's available through other means.
callmevlad 14y ago
A lot more has been raised in a lot less time. Lockitron comes to mind. As of now, with 23 hours left to go, they are only short $25K, so it seems almost inevitable that the target will be met.
- duskwuff 14y ago
  And as of now, with 18 hours to go, they're over the line at $766K.

ZenoArrow 14y ago

It's definitely possible to raise this money. The rate of funding has increased a lot over the past day or so. Think about it like this, if they average about $4600 an hour for the next 32 hours they'll make $147200 more, which will take them over the goal. Watch the funding for an hour or two and you'll see it's definitely going to be close to making it, just need an extra push to get there.

ZenoArrow 14y ago
Just to follow up on this, if you'd like a visual representation the funding pattern over the duration of the project, the graph found here will be of interest: http://canhekick.it/project/5064d31d8f647c24e5ad60d0 http://canhekick.it/project/5064d31d8f647c24e5ad60d0
- visionscaper 14y ago
  Great graph! So, through linear extrapolation, if the current funding rate is maintained the project should just reach its funding goal.
  - ZenoArrow 14y ago
    It looks that way. However, it's too early to rest on our laurels. Thank you for creating this news post by the way. :-)
- dwwoelfel 14y ago
  That's my site! I set the Parallella project to update every 5 minutes instead of every hour, but the website serves the project page from a TTL-cache with a 1 hour expiration. If you want to see a more up-to-date graph, you can hit up the API: http://api.canhekick.it/graph.svg?id=5064d31d8f647c24e5ad60d0&width=600 http://api.canhekick.it/graph.svg?id=5064d31d8f647c24e5ad60d... Added in edit: Anyone is welcome to make use of the API in their own applications. There is documentation[1] and I'm very accessible if you have unique requirements. [1] http://canhekick.it/api-docs http://canhekick.it/api-docs

sami36 14y ago

Most high-profile Kickstarter projects raise 20 % or more of their total pledges in the last 48 hours. If you check the pledge total trendline on Kicktraq , you'll see that it aligns pretty close with that number. I disagree with a previous commenter. They've delivered enough proof as far as their ability to deliver. The problem is their "old" pitch was targeted towards developers & there is just not enough of these on Kickstarter to raise 750k, only yesterday did they fine-tune their selling points & replaced the project video with one that's more likely to resonate with mainstream users (Ubuntu, media center, a Rapsberry Pi on roids etc..) I wish them nothing but the best.

jws 14y ago

There is only so much mindshare that can fit in a headline, but don't forget that there is also a 28k logic cell FPGA on that ARM processor. This board has about everything you could want in a hardware hacking board. • Normal, well supported, ARM processors for the easy stuff. USB and HDMI in case you want to interact. • Gigabit ethernet. Most ARM boards you find are 100mbit. • Sanely programmable array of processors for bulk processing. • FPGA for heavy hacking. Also very handy for interfacing to devices, let it handle the low level timing sensitive stuff. • About 40 GPIO, but since they are connected to the FPGA you can turn them into higher level interfaces. It appears that the HDMI output is built this way. • Community momentum. There are 3400 people behind this already. 5 signed up while I was spell checking this comment.

dkhenry 14y ago
However if I read their block diagrams correctly you can't use the FPGA and the Epiphany at the same time ( e.g. they use the FPGA to interface with the Epihpany Core ). Still if they give easy access to reprogram the FPGA they not only made an awesome Parallel computer, but also the only platform I know of to easily get into FPGA hacking. The FPGA is the most under reported part of this project.
- adapteva 14y ago
  We didn't focus on the FPGA because the project was more about parallel programming methods, but it's an open platform so the adventurous ones can hack and modify it freely.
- jws 14y ago
  In the Kickstarter updates there is a link to a paper about using the FPGA to both interface to a digital radio front end and the Epiphany, so I assume that the Epiphany logic doesn't consume the whole FPGA and that they make source available for you to extend.
- lonetech 14y ago
  The FPGA is indeed doing the glue logic to the Epiphany, but that's only one of its functions; there's plenty of space left for other jobs, one of which is HDMI output. They do plan easy access to reprogram the FPGA, but since Xilinx synthesis tools are only available on x86, you'll also need a PC to make new FPGA configurations.

johanvdp 14y ago

I have no doubt they can deliver (the engineering samples do work) but the target audience is small and until there are multiple working applications. The concept, general purpose parallel computing, is the way forward. So if you like to learn and tinker, this is one of the few if not only way to get access a development board at a very low cost. Backing them does not cost you anything if the pledge is not successful. If you want to have access to a cheap development board then back them. I do.

xradionut 14y ago

I'd like to see them succeed. The sweet spot I would love to use for this technology would be portable SDR, just like one of their app notes states. It's a pain dragging a powerful laptop into the field just to do some rote signal processing for an radio.

jivatmanx 14y ago

What uses would something like this have? What types of tasks are processor intensive? Video encoding, speech/face recognition? Computation that normally a GPU would do? I bought a 16/core but I'm not sure what I'll use it for other than to run Linux. I really hope that someone develops a distributed computing client (for Folding/Boinc) that would run on this and take advantage of it. Than I would buy a 64/core

visionscaper 14y ago
More and more consumer applications need high computing performance and a tighter integration of memory and computation. You already mentioned a few examples yourself. However, I think that the most interesting thing about this parallel computing platform is that it's completely open. This will allow a community formed around it to create new, unthought of, innovative, applications with it. Edit : improved wording

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Vivtek 14y ago

Huh. They've picked up over $50K as I've been watching. I think they'll make it, at this point - they're over $700K.

visionscaper 14y ago
Yes, this morning when I submitted this thread, funding was around $595K. Amazing how fast the funding rate picked up!

SamuelKillin 14y ago

Man, they've been pushing this hard and it looks like it will pay off. They'll make the 750. Raising 750k in 30 days is no small feat and is awesome market validation. This should really help them raise more investment and keep growing.