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Personally I don't like infinite scrolling - but the EU also needs to stop wasting time and energy on trying to micro-manage everything. We already had that dis

Personally I don't like infinite scrolling - but the EU also needs to stop wasting time and energy on trying to micro-manage everything. We already had that disaster where pop-ups fly out "do you want to accept those cookies". That is just a usability nightmare. People are forced into extensions, just to stop wasting their time here. Also, while I dislike infinite scrolling, why should the EU regulate the design of a website? I don't like this idea as a principle. This clearly comes from overpaid bureaucrats. I am not at all saying the EU should not become stronger, in the face of a very hostile and abusive USA - but the focus by these bureaucrats is wrong. Those micro-regulations will not get rid of US dominance in the software sector.

seszett 8mo ago
> why should the EU regulate the design of a website? There are laws regulating many things that could be considered "design", for example misleading packaging, mandatory information on some categories of ads, cigarette packaging, container sizes, accessibility requirements, etc. I would say regulating against addictive design (infinite scrolling is not banned per se, it just makes for a catchy headline) is well within what laws are meant for.
sbszllr 8mo ago
> We already had that disaster where pop-ups fly out "do you want to accept those cookies". That is just a usability nightmare. People are forced into extensions, just to stop wasting their time here. You’re perpetuating a gross misunderstanding of the cookie law. What it states is different from how the advertisers implement malicious compliance to bias people, like yourself. Websites that implement basic functional cookies do not need to display any popups. They’re permitted to do so. Any cookies that are essential to the functioning of the website within reason are permitted. In fact at no point a website should serve you a cookie popup unless you seek it out because analytics and advertising cookies are supposed to be opt in. So many websites do two things, serve you a popup that has everything enabled which is a clear violation; or a popup that has only functional cookies selected but the biggest highlighted button allows all of them. The law is fine. Malicious compliance is to blame. The EU has been slow to rectify it.
- mdavid626 8mo ago
  Because the average person’s brain is fried by looking at infinite scrolling apps 6 hours a day.
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- oompydoompy74 8mo ago
  The government (EU in this case) passes a law and a finger goes down on the monkeys paw. This will always be the case. If everything is illegal then nothing is.
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nicman23 8mo ago
just install i still dont care about cookies and let them cry
apexalpha 8mo ago
Many potentially addictive things or addictive properties of things are regulated. Try selling something containing Nicotine and you will find the EU has an opinion on that, too.
mattlutze 8mo ago
"People are forced into extensions, just to stop wasting their time here." Except, what actually has happened is that the annoying pop-ups became ubiquitous, and then relatively standardized, so that now an extension like Consent-o-Matic (because the browser companies don't want to upset their advertisers) can automate away your actual choices. If you want to allow websites to track you, tell the extension to make those choices. If you don't, then tell the extension that. It does a great job almost instantly clearing the popups, and you have more control over your digital identity.
Ylpertnodi 8mo ago
>Those micro-regulations will not get rid of US dominance in the software sector. Probably not. But the dominance will be regulated.
KolibriFly 8mo ago
The Commission isn't (at least from what's published) saying "pagination must look like X" or "buttons must be Y pixels tall." They're saying platforms have to mitigate systemic risks tied to their design choices. That's more like regulating outcomes and incentives than dictating UI details
neop1x 8mo ago
The cookie policy should have been mandated to be implemented in the browsers. One click to not give consent to anyone. Done.
Valakas_ 8mo ago
Do you consider all the laws against air pollution micro management too? Or food preservatives, health and safety hazards, (...)? I say great this is a great initiative from the EU.

seszett 8mo ago

> why should the EU regulate the design of a website? There are laws regulating many things that could be considered "design", for example misleading packaging, mandatory information on some categories of ads, cigarette packaging, container sizes, accessibility requirements, etc. I would say regulating against addictive design (infinite scrolling is not banned per se, it just makes for a catchy headline) is well within what laws are meant for.

sbszllr 8mo ago

> We already had that disaster where pop-ups fly out "do you want to accept those cookies". That is just a usability nightmare. People are forced into extensions, just to stop wasting their time here. You’re perpetuating a gross misunderstanding of the cookie law. What it states is different from how the advertisers implement malicious compliance to bias people, like yourself. Websites that implement basic functional cookies do not need to display any popups. They’re permitted to do so. Any cookies that are essential to the functioning of the website within reason are permitted. In fact at no point a website should serve you a cookie popup unless you seek it out because analytics and advertising cookies are supposed to be opt in. So many websites do two things, serve you a popup that has everything enabled which is a clear violation; or a popup that has only functional cookies selected but the biggest highlighted button allows all of them. The law is fine. Malicious compliance is to blame. The EU has been slow to rectify it.

mdavid626 8mo ago
Because the average person’s brain is fried by looking at infinite scrolling apps 6 hours a day.
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oompydoompy74 8mo ago
The government (EU in this case) passes a law and a finger goes down on the monkeys paw. This will always be the case. If everything is illegal then nothing is.
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nicman23 8mo ago

just install i still dont care about cookies and let them cry

apexalpha 8mo ago

Many potentially addictive things or addictive properties of things are regulated. Try selling something containing Nicotine and you will find the EU has an opinion on that, too.

mattlutze 8mo ago

"People are forced into extensions, just to stop wasting their time here." Except, what actually has happened is that the annoying pop-ups became ubiquitous, and then relatively standardized, so that now an extension like Consent-o-Matic (because the browser companies don't want to upset their advertisers) can automate away your actual choices. If you want to allow websites to track you, tell the extension to make those choices. If you don't, then tell the extension that. It does a great job almost instantly clearing the popups, and you have more control over your digital identity.

Ylpertnodi 8mo ago

>Those micro-regulations will not get rid of US dominance in the software sector. Probably not. But the dominance will be regulated.

KolibriFly 8mo ago

The Commission isn't (at least from what's published) saying "pagination must look like X" or "buttons must be Y pixels tall." They're saying platforms have to mitigate systemic risks tied to their design choices. That's more like regulating outcomes and incentives than dictating UI details

neop1x 8mo ago

The cookie policy should have been mandated to be implemented in the browsers. One click to not give consent to anyone. Done.

Valakas_ 8mo ago

Do you consider all the laws against air pollution micro management too? Or food preservatives, health and safety hazards, (...)? I say great this is a great initiative from the EU.