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I think you can get most of the benefit by just banning targeted advertising. Require that every user must be shown the exact same ads (probabilistically). Don

• fooker 8mo ago
  Good policy in my opinion.
• raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
  Yes, a user in GA should be shown an ad for a car dealership in Hawaii…
  • HWR_14 8mo ago
    Geofenced ads are not the same as targeted ads.
    • raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
      Okay what if I am in Florida and Facebook sees that all of my posts are in Spanish, should it not be allowed to target me with Spanish speaking ads?
      • dahart 8mo ago
        Correct. The proposal is to not be able to use your posts to determine which ads to show. But showing you ads in Spanish because you’re in southern Florida or Puerto Rico would be acceptable.
        • phire 8mo ago
          Such a law will probably allow targeting based on the browser's language (browsers already send a "Accept-Language" field, doxing you with every single http request), or whatever language you have configured a website/app interface to be shown in. But not guess a language based on the content of posts.
        • raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
          But I don’t speak Spanish and I’m in Florida…
          • dahart 8mo ago
            Isn’t hearing some Spanish from time to time expected in Miami, whether you speak it or not? I expect to hear Spanish and I live nowhere near a coast… And you prefer that advertisers read through your posts/emails/history/everything to make ads targeted at you? If you don’t care about the risks of targeted advertising, and don’t agree with the EU’s decision to ban manipulative behavior, then the proposal we’re discussing maybe isn’t for you. But at least consider that having an ads language setting is not ruled out by this idea, so if you can’t stand Spanish, then you can have your ads in English without the advertisers reading all your posts.
            • raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
              I know some Spanish. But if I were an advertiser, I wouldn’t want to waste my money on ad impressions on people who couldn’t understand a word I was saying. I also as a business person who targets Spanish speaking people - like you know immigration assistance or when mask thugs think I’m here illegally when I was born in Puerto Rico (hypothetically). So what if I have a website based out of the counter and accept advertisements? Are you going to tell ISPs to block those foreign websites? Let me tell you a little story. The state I live in just passed a law requiring all porn sites to verify age. Guess how many porn sites not based in the US ignored the law entirely? Guess how many who did folks the law can be viewed over a VPN? If you guessed “lesser than 100% between both, you would be wrong.
              • dahart 8mo ago
                Obviously sites not based in the US don’t have to follow US laws. And obviously using a VPN circumvents local laws. Again, I’m not going to do any of this, but you answered your own question: one way the US could enforce this would be to require ISPs to block targeted advertising, regardless of where the originating site is located.
        • raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
          Are we also going to target in app advertising? If not, every website will just tell you you must use their app
          • dahart 8mo ago
            In this hypothetical scenario, why are you assuming in-app advertising would be any different from browser advertising? Re-read @phire’s comment above; the proposal was to get rid of targeted advertising that uses your personal data to make advertising decisions. I assumed that would apply to all advertising channels, including both web and in-app ads, otherwise you’d be right and it probably wouldn’t work.
            • raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
              Are you also going to ban websites that aren’t hosted by the US from being seen in the US that have advertising?
              • dahart 8mo ago
                Why are you assuming that the hosting locale is even relevant? I’m not going to ban anything, but if @phire’s idea was law, it would probably ban anything advertiser from choosing which ads to show you based on your personal data. It’s irrelevant where the ads or site is hosted, I assume. If ads from foreign countries don’t target individuals, their ads would be legal. If ads from foreign countries, or from the US, use your posts to choose which ads they think you’ll engage with, that wouldn’t be allowed under @phire’s proposal. Is @phire’s suggestion confusing?
                • raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
                  How are you going to police foreign countries? If they don’t comply are you going to tell ISPs they must block any foreign site that has targeted ads?
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      • arter45 8mo ago
        If the ads content depends on a social media company seeing your posts and analyzing them, it’s probably fair to say it’s targeted advertising. Browsers typically send Accept-Language headers so you could easily return ads in languages matching that header, without having to analyze your posts. It’s like switching on to a Spanish TV channel and getting Spanish speaking ads. It’s not targeted because you are signalling you probably understand Spanish.
• terminalshort 8mo ago
  How will they know where their target audience goes if there is no tracking?
  • kaibee 8mo ago
    Use 0.01% of brain power? How is it that Fox News always has the buy/sell gold ads? Hyper-segmenting society into advertising bubbles is about the same as if you hyper-segmented your body into cell clumps. You need unintentional cross-pollination, otherwise there is no more society.