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> ...as he is a charlatan himself. What's the evidence for that?

by paulryanrogers 9mo ago

dcre 9mo ago
See edit. Tens of thousands of lines of borderline gibberish for the gullible.
- paulryanrogers 9mo ago
  Thanks for the link. You make some good points. I still fear for what AI training will cost (financially and ecologically). The outputs also seem like a force multiplier that's more likely to be used for bad than good, at least without better guardrails. And it doesn't seem to make people any better, aside from a narrow view of productivity. Hopefully Ed is wrong. Or at least there are more articulate and methodical skeptics who can keep us grounded.
  - meowface 9mo ago
    >And it doesn't seem to make people any better, aside from a narrow view of productivity. This could be said about almost any new technology. Spreadsheets, word processors, nearly any tech startup. People who use LLMs daily generally feel their lives are better because of them. Yes, including the non-"4o cultist psychosis" types. As for harms: thoughtful AI worriers and doomers have been trying to sound those alarms for decades, but AI skeptics generally shoot it all down because it would require accepting what "hype" and "boosters" say about likely future capabilities, or something like that.
  - dcre 9mo ago
    I think those are all reasonable worries, and many critics do a better job than Zitron of articulating them.
meowface 9mo ago
One of the most widely ridiculed and discredited AI skeptics, outmatched only by Gary Marcus. Note the date, then imagine this take repeated every single month up to now: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-a-i-bubble-is-bursting-with-ed-zitron/id1463460577?i=1000661003189 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-a-i-bubble-is-burs... Not to say all AI skepticism (especially concerning very short timelines) is necessarily unwarranted, but Zitron and Marcus are just professional contrarians selling a message to people who want their biases and priors affirmed.
int32_64 9mo ago
The guy comes across as a non-technical grifter https://archive.is/m9pHl https://archive.is/m9pHl

> ...as he is a charlatan himself. What's the evidence for that?

dcre 9mo ago

See edit. Tens of thousands of lines of borderline gibberish for the gullible.

paulryanrogers 9mo ago
Thanks for the link. You make some good points. I still fear for what AI training will cost (financially and ecologically). The outputs also seem like a force multiplier that's more likely to be used for bad than good, at least without better guardrails. And it doesn't seem to make people any better, aside from a narrow view of productivity. Hopefully Ed is wrong. Or at least there are more articulate and methodical skeptics who can keep us grounded.
- meowface 9mo ago
  >And it doesn't seem to make people any better, aside from a narrow view of productivity. This could be said about almost any new technology. Spreadsheets, word processors, nearly any tech startup. People who use LLMs daily generally feel their lives are better because of them. Yes, including the non-"4o cultist psychosis" types. As for harms: thoughtful AI worriers and doomers have been trying to sound those alarms for decades, but AI skeptics generally shoot it all down because it would require accepting what "hype" and "boosters" say about likely future capabilities, or something like that.
- dcre 9mo ago
  I think those are all reasonable worries, and many critics do a better job than Zitron of articulating them.

meowface 9mo ago

One of the most widely ridiculed and discredited AI skeptics, outmatched only by Gary Marcus. Note the date, then imagine this take repeated every single month up to now: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-a-i-bubble-is-bursting-with-ed-zitron/id1463460577?i=1000661003189 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-a-i-bubble-is-burs... Not to say all AI skepticism (especially concerning very short timelines) is necessarily unwarranted, but Zitron and Marcus are just professional contrarians selling a message to people who want their biases and priors affirmed.

int32_64 9mo ago

The guy comes across as a non-technical grifter https://archive.is/m9pHl https://archive.is/m9pHl