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So a permanent resident who has lived in a country, for say, 10 years? You don't think they're committed at that point and should have a right to vote on the so

by deanc 8mo ago

So a permanent resident who has lived in a country, for say, 10 years? You don't think they're committed at that point and should have a right to vote on the society they are contributing to?

ahtihn 8mo ago
Is there any country in Europe where you can't naturalize after 10 years? Maybe some micro state? My point is, if you're not willing to go through the naturalisation process when you're eligible, what's the problem?
- maccard 8mo ago
  I agree with your point - but to answer your question, none that take _more_ than 10 years but quite a few that take 10 years. Austria had particularly tough requirements - 10 years, language competency _and_ no dual citizenship
mantas 8mo ago
Then apply for citizenship, take language and, usually, constitution exam and get the citizenship. If somebody doesn’t care enough to prove they know the basics of the language and legal system in the country… Maybe they shouldn’t have voting privilege either?
maccard 8mo ago
To throw it back at you- should a couple who have been together for 10 years be afforded the same rights as a married couple? > you don’t think they’re committed at that point and should have a right to vote in the society they are contributing to Honestly - no, I don’t. I think that voting in a GE is a huge privilege, and it should require an explicit declaration and an acceptance from the country they are part of.
- b112 8mo ago
  I think you should look into common-law marriage. At least in Canada, living together for 2 years, means you are much closer to being married than not. It's even applicable for taxes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage Yes, you're not married. But you're not single either.
  - omnimus 8mo ago
    The article you are linking to specifically says that Canada doesn't have common law marriage only that “informal cohabitation relationships are recognised for certain purposes in Canada, creating legal rights and obligations”
    - b112 8mo ago
      Yes, it's marriage light in Canada. But other jurisdictions do have it.
      - maccard 8mo ago
        Residency is citizenship light if you want to take that angle
pbalau 8mo ago
I can vote in local elections, eg for people that spend my council tax.
PunchyHamster 8mo ago
Yup, they should definitely apply for citizenship

by deanc 8mo ago

So a permanent resident who has lived in a country, for say, 10 years? You don't think they're committed at that point and should have a right to vote on the society they are contributing to?

ahtihn 8mo ago

Is there any country in Europe where you can't naturalize after 10 years? Maybe some micro state? My point is, if you're not willing to go through the naturalisation process when you're eligible, what's the problem?

maccard 8mo ago
I agree with your point - but to answer your question, none that take _more_ than 10 years but quite a few that take 10 years. Austria had particularly tough requirements - 10 years, language competency _and_ no dual citizenship

mantas 8mo ago

Then apply for citizenship, take language and, usually, constitution exam and get the citizenship. If somebody doesn’t care enough to prove they know the basics of the language and legal system in the country… Maybe they shouldn’t have voting privilege either?

maccard 8mo ago

To throw it back at you- should a couple who have been together for 10 years be afforded the same rights as a married couple? > you don’t think they’re committed at that point and should have a right to vote in the society they are contributing to Honestly - no, I don’t. I think that voting in a GE is a huge privilege, and it should require an explicit declaration and an acceptance from the country they are part of.

b112 8mo ago
I think you should look into common-law marriage. At least in Canada, living together for 2 years, means you are much closer to being married than not. It's even applicable for taxes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage Yes, you're not married. But you're not single either.
- omnimus 8mo ago
  The article you are linking to specifically says that Canada doesn't have common law marriage only that “informal cohabitation relationships are recognised for certain purposes in Canada, creating legal rights and obligations”
  - b112 8mo ago
    Yes, it's marriage light in Canada. But other jurisdictions do have it.
    - maccard 8mo ago
      Residency is citizenship light if you want to take that angle

pbalau 8mo ago

I can vote in local elections, eg for people that spend my council tax.

PunchyHamster 8mo ago

Yup, they should definitely apply for citizenship