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Something Big Is (Not) Happening

40 points by DiscourseFan 8mo ago

mchusma 8mo ago
These responses to AI seems to be from people who have not experienced what AI can do, and are therefore skeptical. But I have personally repeatedly used AI instead of humans across domains. AI displacement isn’t a prediction. It’s here.
- DangitBobby 8mo ago
  The original seems to be arguing, among other things, that the singularity has begun because AI has been employed to improve AI development tooling. I can see it both ways, but skepticism on these claims is natural and warranted. I agree with you that there's no shortage of people underestimating the importance of this moment in history.
  - danaris 8mo ago
    But the whole reason it's called "the singularity" is because the "AI" improving itself is supposed to already be smarter than us, and better able to make those improvements. Thus, improvement builds on itself exponentially and we very quickly see massive changes, leading to huge new advances in science and technology. It's not a singularity if we just get LLMs spitting out code to improve LLMs that's approximately what we could have done, just 40% faster and with 50% more bugs.
    - DangitBobby 8mo ago
      Yeah. We aren't there.
mellosouls 8mo ago
This is a reference to the unaccountably viral article from a couple of days ago, discussed here: Something big is happening (97 points, 77 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46973011 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46973011
AreShoesFeet000 8mo ago
The mere idea that you could derive new correspondence to an emerging reality by rearranging fragments of the past is just insane to me.
- hackyhacky 8mo ago
  Isn't "rearranging fragments of the past" what humans do? We call it creativity.
  - AreShoesFeet000 8mo ago
    In part, but we also actually live in the present. The ideas as being dynamically confronted with reality instead of having a fixed arrangement*. The LLM couldn’t be enhanced by dynamic training because that’s already what humans do. It’s by design that their “guidelines” are fixed.
  - badtuple 8mo ago
    That is one theory of creativity. It is extremely far from proven.
twism 8mo ago
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- layer8 8mo ago
  Too few “r”s.
- disillusioned 8mo ago
  This was Gemini 3 Pro's "medium" sized output: \ | / --(_)-- / . . \ / . . . \ \ . . / \ . . / \ . / \ / \ / v
irdc 8mo ago
Thus making humanity an ever-receding area of AI-incompetence.
red75prime 8mo ago
The article feels, I don't know… maybe like someone calmly sitting in a rocking chair staring at the sea. Then the camera turns, and there's an erupting volcano in the background. > If it was a life or death decision, would you trust the model? Judgement, yes, but decision? No, they are not capable of making a decision, at least important ones. A self-driving car with a vision-language-action model inside buzzes by. > It still fails when it comes to spatial relations within text, because everything is understood in terms of relations and correspondences between tokens as values themselves, and apparent spatial position is not a stored value. A large multimodal model listens to your request and produces a picture. > They'll always need someone to take a look under the hood, figure out how their machine ticks. A strong, fearless individual, the spanner in the works, the eddy in the stream! GPT‑5.3‑Codex helps debug its own training.
- irishcoffee 8mo ago
  > A self-driving car with a vision-language-action model inside buzzes by. Vision-action maybe. Jamming language in the middle there is an indicator you should run for public office.
  - red75prime 8mo ago
    Language allows higher-level and longer-term planning and better generalization than purely vision-action models. Waymo uses VLM in their Driver[1]. Tesla decided to add some kind of a language model to their VA stack[2]. Nvidia's Alpamayo uses VLA[3]. [1] https://waymo.com/blog/2025/12/demonstrably-safe-ai-for-autonomous-driving https://waymo.com/blog/2025/12/demonstrably-safe-ai-for-auto... [2] https://x.com/aelluswamy/status/1981760576591393203 https://x.com/aelluswamy/status/1981760576591393203 [3] https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/solutions/autonomous-vehicles/alpamayo/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/solutions/autonomous-vehicles/a...
    - irishcoffee 8mo ago
      > Language allows If a tree falls... Waymo, X, Nvidia. You fucking nailed unbiased.
dvt 8mo ago
I think people are just getting lost in the sauce. Forget all the "singularity" or "AGI" nonsense. LLMs are genuinely useful automation machines. They're fantastic for going from semi-structured data to structured data. They're great for going from text blob to decision points. They're great for going from vague instructions to step-by-step inference. No one (at least no serious person) is saying ChatGPT is Immanuel Kant or Ernest Hemingway. The fact that we still have sherpas doesn't make trains any less useful or interesting.
- lich_king 8mo ago
  I think this post is specifically an answer to yet another "AGI is just around the corner" post that made waves recently. Fundamentally, I think that many problems in white-collar life are text comprehension problems or basic automation problems. Further, they often don't even need to be done particularly well. For example, we've long decided that it's OK for customer support to suck, and LLMs are now an upgrade over an overseas call center worker who must follow a rigid script. So yeah, LLMs can be quite useful and will be used more and more. But this is also not the discourse we're having on HN. Every day, there's some AGI marketing headline, including one at #1 right now from OpenAI.
  - dvt 8mo ago
    The AI-assisted GPT theoretical physics derivation? There's literally no mention of AGI in the article, and it's pretty tame, especially considering it's a PR piece by OpenAI.
    - alansaber 8mo ago
      It's referencing https://shumer.dev/something-big-is-happening https://shumer.dev/something-big-is-happening
    - lich_king 8mo ago
      It's a press release from a vendor that constantly talks about AGI, and it's meant to showcase the capabilities of an unreleased model in an experiment you can't replicate. But my comment was less about the link and more about the discussion, which has immediately bifurcated into the "it's done and dusted" and "this is overhyped and LLMs are useless" camps.
stephc_int13 8mo ago
The long tail is fatter and longer than many people expect. AlphaZero was a special/unusual case, I would say an outlier. FSD is still not ready, but people have seen it working for ten years, slowly climbing up the asymptote, but still not reaching human level driving, and it may take a while. I use AI models for coding every day, I am not a luddite, but I don't feel the AGI, not at all, what I am seeing is a nice tool that is seriously over-hyped.
rfonseca 8mo ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47008929 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47008929
argee 8mo ago
The original [0] that this is in response to, essentially posits that something you cannot afford to ignore is going on, especially if you work in a white collar job. Admittedly a little bit of FUD [1] is going on with the "AI is coming for your job" narrative, but the core idea, that this is a fast moving field where it's worth re-examining your assumptions from time to time, appears to be sound and hard to disagree with. This article has a confrontational title, but the point made here seems to not be incompatible with the original...the author is confronting the FUD directly, which is understandable but perhaps not quite as useful as refuting the core thesis, which is that something you cannot afford to ignore is happening. In fact, both these people seem to be in agreement that you need to keep an eye on this ball, they just have a "panic" versus "don't panic" framing. Should you panic in an emergency? Research says no [2]. [0] https://shumer.dev/something-big-is-happening https://shumer.dev/something-big-is-happening [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty,_and_doubt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty,_and_doubt - note the original author is an AI founder [2] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9180869/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9180869/
xeckr 8mo ago
The strawberry/seahorse emoji meme is like a century old in AI-time.
dang 8mo ago
This has been popping up quite a bit but as far as I can tell, neither the original thought piece nor (therefore) the critiques are particularly above-the-bar? Something Big Is Coming (Annotated by Ed Zitron) [pdf] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47007991 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47007991 - Feb 2026 (31 comments) Something Big Is Happening - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46973011 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46973011 - Feb 2026 (74 comments)
- bdangubic 8mo ago
  interesting how little discussion “something big is happening” got considering it surpassed 100 million views …
  - dang 8mo ago
    IIRC, it got flagged by users. That might have been a good thing in this case. HN gets tons of thought-piece submissions about AI so we try to keep the bar relatively high (notice that word 'relatively'. I'm not saying it's all that high!) If discussion here is somewhat uncorrelated with discussion on the rest of the internet, that's good, at least for this kind of content.
    - Barbing 8mo ago
      >flagged Apparently so indeed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46976171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46976171 Thanks dang!
- rolph 8mo ago
  the frequency of the same subject matter with no apparent evolution is spam posting, in my opinion.

40 points by DiscourseFan 8mo ago

These responses to AI seems to be from people who have not experienced what AI can do, and are therefore skeptical. But I have personally repeatedly used AI instead of humans across domains. AI displacement isn’t a prediction. It’s here.

DangitBobby 8mo ago
The original seems to be arguing, among other things, that the singularity has begun because AI has been employed to improve AI development tooling. I can see it both ways, but skepticism on these claims is natural and warranted. I agree with you that there's no shortage of people underestimating the importance of this moment in history.
- danaris 8mo ago
  But the whole reason it's called "the singularity" is because the "AI" improving itself is supposed to already be smarter than us, and better able to make those improvements. Thus, improvement builds on itself exponentially and we very quickly see massive changes, leading to huge new advances in science and technology. It's not a singularity if we just get LLMs spitting out code to improve LLMs that's approximately what we could have done, just 40% faster and with 50% more bugs.
  - DangitBobby 8mo ago
    Yeah. We aren't there.

mellosouls 8mo ago

This is a reference to the unaccountably viral article from a couple of days ago, discussed here: Something big is happening (97 points, 77 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46973011 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46973011

AreShoesFeet000 8mo ago

The mere idea that you could derive new correspondence to an emerging reality by rearranging fragments of the past is just insane to me.

hackyhacky 8mo ago
Isn't "rearranging fragments of the past" what humans do? We call it creativity.
- AreShoesFeet000 8mo ago
  In part, but we also actually live in the present. The ideas as being dynamically confronted with reality instead of having a fixed arrangement*. The LLM couldn’t be enhanced by dynamic training because that’s already what humans do. It’s by design that their “guidelines” are fixed.
- badtuple 8mo ago
  That is one theory of creativity. It is extremely far from proven.

twism 8mo ago

\ | / --(_) -- .' . '. / . . \ | . | \ . . / '. . .' 'v'

layer8 8mo ago
Too few “r”s.
disillusioned 8mo ago
This was Gemini 3 Pro's "medium" sized output: \ | / --(_)-- / . . \ / . . . \ \ . . / \ . . / \ . / \ / \ / v

irdc 8mo ago

Thus making humanity an ever-receding area of AI-incompetence.

red75prime 8mo ago

The article feels, I don't know… maybe like someone calmly sitting in a rocking chair staring at the sea. Then the camera turns, and there's an erupting volcano in the background. > If it was a life or death decision, would you trust the model? Judgement, yes, but decision? No, they are not capable of making a decision, at least important ones. A self-driving car with a vision-language-action model inside buzzes by. > It still fails when it comes to spatial relations within text, because everything is understood in terms of relations and correspondences between tokens as values themselves, and apparent spatial position is not a stored value. A large multimodal model listens to your request and produces a picture. > They'll always need someone to take a look under the hood, figure out how their machine ticks. A strong, fearless individual, the spanner in the works, the eddy in the stream! GPT‑5.3‑Codex helps debug its own training.

irishcoffee 8mo ago
> A self-driving car with a vision-language-action model inside buzzes by. Vision-action maybe. Jamming language in the middle there is an indicator you should run for public office.
- red75prime 8mo ago
  Language allows higher-level and longer-term planning and better generalization than purely vision-action models. Waymo uses VLM in their Driver[1]. Tesla decided to add some kind of a language model to their VA stack[2]. Nvidia's Alpamayo uses VLA[3]. [1] https://waymo.com/blog/2025/12/demonstrably-safe-ai-for-autonomous-driving https://waymo.com/blog/2025/12/demonstrably-safe-ai-for-auto... [2] https://x.com/aelluswamy/status/1981760576591393203 https://x.com/aelluswamy/status/1981760576591393203 [3] https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/solutions/autonomous-vehicles/alpamayo/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/solutions/autonomous-vehicles/a...
  - irishcoffee 8mo ago
    > Language allows If a tree falls... Waymo, X, Nvidia. You fucking nailed unbiased.

dvt 8mo ago

I think people are just getting lost in the sauce. Forget all the "singularity" or "AGI" nonsense. LLMs are genuinely useful automation machines. They're fantastic for going from semi-structured data to structured data. They're great for going from text blob to decision points. They're great for going from vague instructions to step-by-step inference. No one (at least no serious person) is saying ChatGPT is Immanuel Kant or Ernest Hemingway. The fact that we still have sherpas doesn't make trains any less useful or interesting.

lich_king 8mo ago
I think this post is specifically an answer to yet another "AGI is just around the corner" post that made waves recently. Fundamentally, I think that many problems in white-collar life are text comprehension problems or basic automation problems. Further, they often don't even need to be done particularly well. For example, we've long decided that it's OK for customer support to suck, and LLMs are now an upgrade over an overseas call center worker who must follow a rigid script. So yeah, LLMs can be quite useful and will be used more and more. But this is also not the discourse we're having on HN. Every day, there's some AGI marketing headline, including one at #1 right now from OpenAI.
- dvt 8mo ago
  The AI-assisted GPT theoretical physics derivation? There's literally no mention of AGI in the article, and it's pretty tame, especially considering it's a PR piece by OpenAI.
  - alansaber 8mo ago
    It's referencing https://shumer.dev/something-big-is-happening https://shumer.dev/something-big-is-happening
  - lich_king 8mo ago
    It's a press release from a vendor that constantly talks about AGI, and it's meant to showcase the capabilities of an unreleased model in an experiment you can't replicate. But my comment was less about the link and more about the discussion, which has immediately bifurcated into the "it's done and dusted" and "this is overhyped and LLMs are useless" camps.

stephc_int13 8mo ago

The long tail is fatter and longer than many people expect. AlphaZero was a special/unusual case, I would say an outlier. FSD is still not ready, but people have seen it working for ten years, slowly climbing up the asymptote, but still not reaching human level driving, and it may take a while. I use AI models for coding every day, I am not a luddite, but I don't feel the AGI, not at all, what I am seeing is a nice tool that is seriously over-hyped.

rfonseca 8mo ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47008929 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47008929

argee 8mo ago

The original [0] that this is in response to, essentially posits that something you cannot afford to ignore is going on, especially if you work in a white collar job. Admittedly a little bit of FUD [1] is going on with the "AI is coming for your job" narrative, but the core idea, that this is a fast moving field where it's worth re-examining your assumptions from time to time, appears to be sound and hard to disagree with. This article has a confrontational title, but the point made here seems to not be incompatible with the original...the author is confronting the FUD directly, which is understandable but perhaps not quite as useful as refuting the core thesis, which is that something you cannot afford to ignore is happening. In fact, both these people seem to be in agreement that you need to keep an eye on this ball, they just have a "panic" versus "don't panic" framing. Should you panic in an emergency? Research says no [2]. [0] https://shumer.dev/something-big-is-happening https://shumer.dev/something-big-is-happening [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty,_and_doubt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty,_and_doubt - note the original author is an AI founder [2] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9180869/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9180869/

xeckr 8mo ago

The strawberry/seahorse emoji meme is like a century old in AI-time.

dang 8mo ago

This has been popping up quite a bit but as far as I can tell, neither the original thought piece nor (therefore) the critiques are particularly above-the-bar? Something Big Is Coming (Annotated by Ed Zitron) [pdf] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47007991 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47007991 - Feb 2026 (31 comments) Something Big Is Happening - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46973011 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46973011 - Feb 2026 (74 comments)

bdangubic 8mo ago
interesting how little discussion “something big is happening” got considering it surpassed 100 million views …
- dang 8mo ago
  IIRC, it got flagged by users. That might have been a good thing in this case. HN gets tons of thought-piece submissions about AI so we try to keep the bar relatively high (notice that word 'relatively'. I'm not saying it's all that high!) If discussion here is somewhat uncorrelated with discussion on the rest of the internet, that's good, at least for this kind of content.
  - Barbing 8mo ago
    >flagged Apparently so indeed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46976171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46976171 Thanks dang!
rolph 8mo ago
the frequency of the same subject matter with no apparent evolution is spam posting, in my opinion.