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Why citizens and not permanent residents?
by deanc 8mo ago
Why citizens and not permanent residents?
- dotancohen 8mo agoFor the same reason that married couples enjoy privileges that dating couples do not. The long term commitment and investment in a partner indicate and confer interest in long term stability and development.
- deanc 8mo agoSo a permanent resident who has lived in a country, for say, 10 years? You don't think they're committed at that point and should have a right to vote on the society they are contributing to?
- ahtihn 8mo agoIs there any country in Europe where you can't naturalize after 10 years? Maybe some micro state? My point is, if you're not willing to go through the naturalisation process when you're eligible, what's the problem?
- maccard 8mo agoI agree with your point - but to answer your question, none that take _more_ than 10 years but quite a few that take 10 years. Austria had particularly tough requirements - 10 years, language competency _and_ no dual citizenship
- mantas 8mo agoThen apply for citizenship, take language and, usually, constitution exam and get the citizenship. If somebody doesn’t care enough to prove they know the basics of the language and legal system in the country… Maybe they shouldn’t have voting privilege either?
- maccard 8mo agoTo throw it back at you- should a couple who have been together for 10 years be afforded the same rights as a married couple? > you don’t think they’re committed at that point and should have a right to vote in the society they are contributing to Honestly - no, I don’t. I think that voting in a GE is a huge privilege, and it should require an explicit declaration and an acceptance from the country they are part of.
- b112 8mo agoI think you should look into common-law marriage. At least in Canada, living together for 2 years, means you are much closer to being married than not. It's even applicable for taxes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage Yes, you're not married. But you're not single either.
- omnimus 8mo agoThe article you are linking to specifically says that Canada doesn't have common law marriage only that “informal cohabitation relationships are recognised for certain purposes in Canada, creating legal rights and obligations”
- pbalau 8mo agoI can vote in local elections, eg for people that spend my council tax.
- PunchyHamster 8mo agoYup, they should definitely apply for citizenship
- RandomLensman 8mo agoAre there no differences in obligations between the two (e.g., draft)?
- maccard 8mo agoIt’s going to wildly depend on the countries, but between the UK and Ireland, no. You do have to swear allegiance to the monarchy in the UK, which some people may feel more or less positively about.
- youngtaff 8mo agoIt's kinda bizarre that we make people who want to become citizens swear allegiance to the Monarchy I’m British and have never sworn, or ever will swear allegiance to the Monarchy I believe the UK should be a republic in the Irish sense i.e. no monarchy and a symbolic president