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You may have mobility but you are not a citizen of the host country, so therefore you should not have the right to dictate their laws. You are a welcome guest u

by feature20260213 8mo ago

You may have mobility but you are not a citizen of the host country, so therefore you should not have the right to dictate their laws. You are a welcome guest until you actually become a citizen (through whatever process they define).

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- senko 8mo ago
  The article is about EU. We had a few revolutions over here, but that wasn't one of them.
echelon_musk 8mo ago
How this is not obvious common sense surprises me. Otherwise significant portions of the population of any EU country could get jobs in another one and then start influencing its politics just because they "pay tax". Essentially colonising the country.
- the_mitsuhiko 8mo ago
  Europeans are increasingly associating with Europe over an individual country. US citizens have been doing this for a long time. They are citizens of the US before the state they reside in.
  - Hamuko 8mo ago
    Where is this data from?
    - the_mitsuhiko 8mo ago
      EUROSTAT. They are running regular surveys. From when they stated to today, the affiliation with Europe went up. Some somewhat recent data is here: https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/2971 https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/2971 Given the dramatic amount of in EU migration that is not too surprising.
      - Hamuko 8mo ago
        This data seems to suggest something completely different than that people are associating as citizens of EU instead of citizens of their respective countries. 93% of respondents are correct in that you become an EU citizen automatically by living in an EU country, and 87% "feel" that they're EU citizens.
        the_mitsuhiko 8mo ago
        I am not saying that European citizens are saying they are saying they are European over their nationality, but that the trend towards a European identity is going up over time.
senko 8mo ago
Exactly. The article conflates free movement of people with federalism.
outside1234 8mo ago
For Austria and Spain this would mean 10 years (at least) of not being able to vote and THEN renouncing your birth citizenship. Not sure this is a very pragmatic solution, unless the goal is to keep immigrants from voting.
- feature20260213 8mo ago
  The goal is to have a country not just a piece of land.

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senko 8mo ago
The article is about EU. We had a few revolutions over here, but that wasn't one of them.

echelon_musk 8mo ago

How this is not obvious common sense surprises me. Otherwise significant portions of the population of any EU country could get jobs in another one and then start influencing its politics just because they "pay tax". Essentially colonising the country.

the_mitsuhiko 8mo ago
Europeans are increasingly associating with Europe over an individual country. US citizens have been doing this for a long time. They are citizens of the US before the state they reside in.
- Hamuko 8mo ago
  Where is this data from?
  - the_mitsuhiko 8mo ago
    EUROSTAT. They are running regular surveys. From when they stated to today, the affiliation with Europe went up. Some somewhat recent data is here: https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/2971 https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/2971 Given the dramatic amount of in EU migration that is not too surprising.
    - Hamuko 8mo ago
      This data seems to suggest something completely different than that people are associating as citizens of EU instead of citizens of their respective countries. 93% of respondents are correct in that you become an EU citizen automatically by living in an EU country, and 87% "feel" that they're EU citizens.
      - the_mitsuhiko 8mo ago
        I am not saying that European citizens are saying they are saying they are European over their nationality, but that the trend towards a European identity is going up over time.

senko 8mo ago

Exactly. The article conflates free movement of people with federalism.

outside1234 8mo ago

For Austria and Spain this would mean 10 years (at least) of not being able to vote and THEN renouncing your birth citizenship. Not sure this is a very pragmatic solution, unless the goal is to keep immigrants from voting.

feature20260213 8mo ago
The goal is to have a country not just a piece of land.