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Is Java making a comeback? Hell Yes and it is coming back big time

7 points by jeffthorne 14y ago

Java hackers and entrepreneurs are re-grouping and mounting a new attack focused on startup activity and innovation on the JVM. Grails48 ("The World's Hackathon") is a global non-profit community driven initiative based on the Groovy programming language and the Grails web application framework. In 3 weeks since the program's inception Grails48 has a presence in Seattle, NYC, Dallas, Minneapolis, Kenya, Mexico, London, Minsk(Belarus), India(3), Mexico, Berlin, Brazil, Spain, etc. Still not convinced? Here are some of the key partnerships in helping breathe life back into startup activity on the JVM. VMware, AppFog, TechStars, SKY, CloudFoundry, DZone, Jive, FullContact, Atlassian, JetBrains, etc. Grails48's (www.grails48.com) first event is Nov 9-11 and all are welcome.

traxtech 14y ago
Java is not making a comeback. I searched real hard remote JEE6/Play friendly startups, and now I'm learning Ror (interesting framework, I love gems) to adapt to the market.
- jeffthorne 14y ago
  Take a look at Grails before you do. Very similar to ROR but runs on the JVM. You can leverage your existing skill set and all the great existing JVM libraries.
  - traxtech 14y ago
    Why bothering with Grails when Ror have deployment options like TorqueBox ? Also, I'm so productive with devise+activemerchant+all others cool gems :)
    - jeffthorne 14y ago
      @traxtech this is what I am talking about :-) TorqueBox is made possible through JBoss and JRuby. We have had that stuff for years on the JVM. Don't get caught up in the hype and leave us for no good reason :-)
eduardordm 14y ago
So, that implies that Java is gone?
- prodigal_erik 14y ago
  Except that Java isn't gone and the hackathon being plugged is for Groovy, not Java, projects.
  - jeffthorne 14y ago
    We use a ton of booth. I really enjoy coding in Groovy but wouldn't want to write everything in a dynamic language. That is what is great about Java and the JVM. You can easily switch to and integrate with other system components written in a static language like Java or Scala. With Rails this is more difficult.
vorg 14y ago
> Is Java making a comeback? Hell Yes and it is coming back big time The title of this posting is deceptive wrt its content, an advert for Grails, a web framework for the JVM. The OP (jeffthorne) was created just to submit and comment on this. > Grails48 ("The World's Hackathon") is a global non-profit community driven initiative In my long experience watching the Groovy and Grails community, nothing about them is ever "non-profit". They're run by a large corporate (EDS / VMWare), which seem to have stringent revenue requirements for the employees involved with Groovy and Grails, hence the constant splurge of heavily promoted conferences and "events". The language in this blurb (e.g. "hackers and entrepreneurs are re-grouping and mounting a new attack", "key partnerships in helping breathe life back into startup activity") gives an idea who the target demographic is. As for "community driven", the various Groovy forums seem to be populated by many phantom users, I presume controlled by a handful of real people. I wouldn't be surprized if the same situation applies to the Grails forums.

7 points by jeffthorne 14y ago

traxtech 14y ago

Java is not making a comeback. I searched real hard remote JEE6/Play friendly startups, and now I'm learning Ror (interesting framework, I love gems) to adapt to the market.

jeffthorne 14y ago
Take a look at Grails before you do. Very similar to ROR but runs on the JVM. You can leverage your existing skill set and all the great existing JVM libraries.
- traxtech 14y ago
  Why bothering with Grails when Ror have deployment options like TorqueBox ? Also, I'm so productive with devise+activemerchant+all others cool gems :)
  - jeffthorne 14y ago
    @traxtech this is what I am talking about :-) TorqueBox is made possible through JBoss and JRuby. We have had that stuff for years on the JVM. Don't get caught up in the hype and leave us for no good reason :-)

eduardordm 14y ago

So, that implies that Java is gone?

prodigal_erik 14y ago
Except that Java isn't gone and the hackathon being plugged is for Groovy, not Java, projects.
- jeffthorne 14y ago
  We use a ton of booth. I really enjoy coding in Groovy but wouldn't want to write everything in a dynamic language. That is what is great about Java and the JVM. You can easily switch to and integrate with other system components written in a static language like Java or Scala. With Rails this is more difficult.

vorg 14y ago

> Is Java making a comeback? Hell Yes and it is coming back big time The title of this posting is deceptive wrt its content, an advert for Grails, a web framework for the JVM. The OP (jeffthorne) was created just to submit and comment on this. > Grails48 ("The World's Hackathon") is a global non-profit community driven initiative In my long experience watching the Groovy and Grails community, nothing about them is ever "non-profit". They're run by a large corporate (EDS / VMWare), which seem to have stringent revenue requirements for the employees involved with Groovy and Grails, hence the constant splurge of heavily promoted conferences and "events". The language in this blurb (e.g. "hackers and entrepreneurs are re-grouping and mounting a new attack", "key partnerships in helping breathe life back into startup activity") gives an idea who the target demographic is. As for "community driven", the various Groovy forums seem to be populated by many phantom users, I presume controlled by a handful of real people. I wouldn't be surprized if the same situation applies to the Grails forums.