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http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4695275 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4695275 but let's see - maybe this time people will be interested :) I think i

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4695275 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4695275 but let's see - maybe this time people will be interested :) I think it's very interesting, since it's not only theoretical, it already works. This could be one of the key technologies used by the US military in the next war they'll fight in.

grumps 14y ago
Sorta....depends on whom.
ynniv 14y ago
Or against the US... http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2011/07/22/Report-China-developing-EMP-weapons/UPI-10561311362279/ http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2011/07/22/Report-China-deve... Plus, I hear we don't practice the same kind of map-in-hand training that would be useful after an effective EMP.
- ari_elle 14y ago
  Thanks for the link - interesting. Though i don't think US' next war enemy will be China ;) What kind of "map-in-hand training" - needed to use such a weapon effectively - are you referring to?
  - carbocation 14y ago
    Navigation without electronics. With a compass, a map, and your wits. And maybe the Antikythera mechanism.
    - ari_elle 14y ago
      They are not knocking out a city, but buildings. Some military buildings knocked out, everything not underground or specially shielded shuts down, has to reboot - this combined with a military strike... You don't need soldiers equipped with compasses to do this. It's not like electric devices in a big area don't work for a long amount of time.
      - carbocation 14y ago
        The reference to map-in-hand was spoken in the same breath as an EMP. I don't believe it's intended to be directly related to this missile, but seems to have been brought up tangentially. I explained the reference to you because based on your question, you seemed to sincerely not understand the map-in-hand reference.
        ari_elle 14y ago
        Ok, sorry. But it was only logical to assume that he referred to the missile, since it's the article you automatically (normally) talk about when writing a comment. I still don't see his problem though. Even if we talk about EMPs in general: -> US Soldiers know exact time and are prepared (i don't see no problem there - even if they couldn't handle a map, which i strongly doubt) It was probably meant to be a funny/ironic remark i guess
      - ynniv 14y ago
        shuts down, has to reboot I don't think you understand how an EMP works. The article is about a microwave gun which is more selective but less effective than a nuclear EMP. The pulse causes extremely high voltage. Durable electronics (an old car) might restart, but modern electronics are often destroyed. It's not like electric devices in a big area don't work for a long amount of time. Unless they are EMP hardened, they will not work forever, which to me is a pretty long time.
        ari_elle 14y ago
        Then US military with EMP hardened equipment. It's not the technical aspects i have a problem with, it's the statement that US Military lacks skills to strike after EMP attack. "we don't practice the same kind of map-in-hand training that would be useful after an effective EMP" Like i've also stated: Maybe it wasn't meant to be that serious, maybe it even was meant to be funny. Thanks anyway for clarifying this. I am intrigued. Guess i will read into this topic in more detail :)
        14y ago

grumps 14y ago

Sorta....depends on whom.

ynniv 14y ago

Or against the US... http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2011/07/22/Report-China-developing-EMP-weapons/UPI-10561311362279/ http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2011/07/22/Report-China-deve... Plus, I hear we don't practice the same kind of map-in-hand training that would be useful after an effective EMP.

ari_elle 14y ago
Thanks for the link - interesting. Though i don't think US' next war enemy will be China ;) What kind of "map-in-hand training" - needed to use such a weapon effectively - are you referring to?
- carbocation 14y ago
  Navigation without electronics. With a compass, a map, and your wits. And maybe the Antikythera mechanism.
  - ari_elle 14y ago
    They are not knocking out a city, but buildings. Some military buildings knocked out, everything not underground or specially shielded shuts down, has to reboot - this combined with a military strike... You don't need soldiers equipped with compasses to do this. It's not like electric devices in a big area don't work for a long amount of time.
    - carbocation 14y ago
      The reference to map-in-hand was spoken in the same breath as an EMP. I don't believe it's intended to be directly related to this missile, but seems to have been brought up tangentially. I explained the reference to you because based on your question, you seemed to sincerely not understand the map-in-hand reference.
      - ari_elle 14y ago
        Ok, sorry. But it was only logical to assume that he referred to the missile, since it's the article you automatically (normally) talk about when writing a comment. I still don't see his problem though. Even if we talk about EMPs in general: -> US Soldiers know exact time and are prepared (i don't see no problem there - even if they couldn't handle a map, which i strongly doubt) It was probably meant to be a funny/ironic remark i guess
    - ynniv 14y ago
      shuts down, has to reboot I don't think you understand how an EMP works. The article is about a microwave gun which is more selective but less effective than a nuclear EMP. The pulse causes extremely high voltage. Durable electronics (an old car) might restart, but modern electronics are often destroyed. It's not like electric devices in a big area don't work for a long amount of time. Unless they are EMP hardened, they will not work forever, which to me is a pretty long time.
      - ari_elle 14y ago
        Then US military with EMP hardened equipment. It's not the technical aspects i have a problem with, it's the statement that US Military lacks skills to strike after EMP attack. "we don't practice the same kind of map-in-hand training that would be useful after an effective EMP" Like i've also stated: Maybe it wasn't meant to be that serious, maybe it even was meant to be funny. Thanks anyway for clarifying this. I am intrigued. Guess i will read into this topic in more detail :)
        14y ago