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This is about the opposite of reality. Tesla is way behind in actually deploying autonomous vehicles, and other robotaxi makers with real deployments besides Wa

This is about the opposite of reality. Tesla is way behind in actually deploying autonomous vehicles, and other robotaxi makers with real deployments besides Waymo also use lidar.

Rover222 8mo ago
Yeah millions of miles per day in autonomous driving for Tesla. Yes it's still supervised (somewhat, you don't have to pay much attention anymore) but the technology is absolutely there and just being refined at this point. Waymos are geofenced, restricted to certain roads, and have remote humans in the loop at lot more than most people assume.
- TulliusCicero 8mo ago
  Not actually autonomous until it can be more or less trusted to handle itself, without constant human supervision. Until then, it's just prototype or testing miles. Tesla's current robotaxi deployment is also geofenced and monitored by humans -- moreso than Waymo, even -- but of course Tesla superfans always conveniently leave that out of the narrative.
  - Rover222 8mo ago
    I don't think you understand that the level of autonomy that anyone with FSD currently has. It drives itself for hours with 0 interventions. Someone did a coast-to-coast drive with no interventions. Yet yeah somehow I'm just a confused fan and you're not biased by politics? They will turn of the supervision requirements soon, and suddenly there will be hundreds of thousands of teslas that can drive themselves. The skepticism is hard to get.
    - TulliusCicero 8mo ago
      > Yet yeah somehow I'm just a confused fan and you're not biased by politics? Yes, because you're confusing "can generally make the decisions necessary to drive by itself" with "can be trusted to drive by itself with a non-attentive human occupant". > They will turn of the supervision requirements soon Oh, totally; this year, right? The complete lack of self awareness is absolutely astounding.
      - Rover222 8mo ago
        Yeah it’ll happen this year. Please mark my words. Waymos get stuck in weird situations every day. They need intervention, even on their guardrails. FSD is of course not perfect, but yes they have obviously cracked the code (it’s obvious if you use it or get beyond the groupthink here), and are being cautious with turning off supervision requirements. As they should.

This is about the opposite of reality. Tesla is way behind in actually deploying autonomous vehicles, and other robotaxi makers with real deployments besides Waymo also use lidar.

Rover222 8mo ago

Yeah millions of miles per day in autonomous driving for Tesla. Yes it's still supervised (somewhat, you don't have to pay much attention anymore) but the technology is absolutely there and just being refined at this point. Waymos are geofenced, restricted to certain roads, and have remote humans in the loop at lot more than most people assume.

TulliusCicero 8mo ago
Not actually autonomous until it can be more or less trusted to handle itself, without constant human supervision. Until then, it's just prototype or testing miles. Tesla's current robotaxi deployment is also geofenced and monitored by humans -- moreso than Waymo, even -- but of course Tesla superfans always conveniently leave that out of the narrative.
- Rover222 8mo ago
  I don't think you understand that the level of autonomy that anyone with FSD currently has. It drives itself for hours with 0 interventions. Someone did a coast-to-coast drive with no interventions. Yet yeah somehow I'm just a confused fan and you're not biased by politics? They will turn of the supervision requirements soon, and suddenly there will be hundreds of thousands of teslas that can drive themselves. The skepticism is hard to get.
  - TulliusCicero 8mo ago
    > Yet yeah somehow I'm just a confused fan and you're not biased by politics? Yes, because you're confusing "can generally make the decisions necessary to drive by itself" with "can be trusted to drive by itself with a non-attentive human occupant". > They will turn of the supervision requirements soon Oh, totally; this year, right? The complete lack of self awareness is absolutely astounding.
    - Rover222 8mo ago
      Yeah it’ll happen this year. Please mark my words. Waymos get stuck in weird situations every day. They need intervention, even on their guardrails. FSD is of course not perfect, but yes they have obviously cracked the code (it’s obvious if you use it or get beyond the groupthink here), and are being cautious with turning off supervision requirements. As they should.