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Friendly reminder that DHS exists because of the war on terror, and the state of emergency the US has been under since 9/11 (yes, still under the same emergency

Friendly reminder that DHS exists because of the war on terror, and the state of emergency the US has been under since 9/11 (yes, still under the same emergency). Why are nazis kidnapping Americans in broad daylight? Osama Bin Laden. The most successful terror attack in history.

adrian_b 8mo ago
I do not think that it is correct to call that as "the most successful", when the only people in the entire world who have benefited from the attack have been Bush Junior and all his political or businessmen friends, and they have benefited tremendously, by gaining huge amounts of money from the wars and from internal US "security" activities and by ensuring the reelection. If we assume that the purpose of the terror attack was the official one, it has not been successful for its initiators, but for those controlling USA. If "successful" is intended to refer to the fact that 3 out of 4 airplanes have reached their target, I remember how I watched live the events and I was stupefied that the 2nd and the 3rd airplanes have hit their targets. For the 1st airplane, it was normal to be successful, as nobody expected that action. But for the following 2, I was familiar with air defenses from places that are supposed to be much less advanced than USA and there was plenty of time to find the airplanes and shoot them down. I could never understand why this did not happen and even more I could never understand why there has never been any credible US official explanation for why it did not happen (I mean the explanation that they could not find the airplanes because they have turned off their transponders is not credible).
- notepad0x90 8mo ago
  what do you mean? The purpose of the terror attack was to destroy America. Bin Laden/AQ weren't trying to get rich (he was already from a rich family). He probably didn't anticipate how successful he'd be. he attacked WTC because it's a symbol of finance and economy; pentagon, military. he had targets like that. If you recall, it wasn't the US alone that invaded Afghanistan, it was NATO. Now, using the very same reactionary forces of his 9/11 attack, that very force that retaliated after 9/11 is being destroyed.
  - adrian_b 8mo ago
    If the purpose of the attack was to destroy America, it certainly was a failure. The attack has killed a great number of innocent American citizens, but while this was a tragedy for their families, friends and relatives, this provided an opportunity for the US government and Republican Party of obtaining greatly increased powers and greatly increased spending and they have secured reelection and the ability to initiate a couple of wars from which some well-connected companies gained a lot. There is nothing that Bush Junior could have done to gain so much as he did, other than USA being the victim of such an attack. Assuming that the US government had nothing to do with the attack, it was nonetheless the luckiest event that could have ever happened to them. Bin Laden and his followers have gained absolutely nothing, except cheering like fools for a few days that they have hurt their supposed enemies.
    - pear01 8mo ago
      You seem to measure success with quite a short term view. You are wrong, the comment you are replying to is quite right. A few days? That one day led America to prosecute two wars for over a decade - both of which failed. Both of which seeded the ground for the current moment, as the prevailing political establishment has lost all credibility. This century was supposed to belong to America. Go back and see how optimistic people where about the new millennium. Where is that now? It's gone. Because the American government responded to one of the darkest days in history by: 1. Invading Afghanistan only to lose it two decades later to the very people they had tried to dislodge in the most painful way possible - literally running away on the tarmac while those that had risked their lives to support them were begging not to be abandoned. 2. Invading Iraq when there were no WMDs and Saddam Hussein has never had anything to do with the faction that was in Afghanistan. Thousands died for what? And we are still there even though that war was supposed to end long ago. Both of these entities had previously been supplied weapons by the United States btw, in Afghanistan against the Soviets and in Iraq against Iran. No one was held accountable for that. Oops. Why do you think people are voting for the system to be torn apart? You are correct the attack itself would not destroy America, as everyone knew. The question is what would America do after. On that count, the failures were numerous and again, no one in power was ever held accountable. This is its own form of lawlessness that has encouraged the present circumstances. Now a security apparatus that has failed to impose its will on the streets of the likes of Baghdad is manifesting in a new form in Minneapolis. Afghanistan was known as the graveyard of empires. The goal was to draw us there so it could once again live up to its name. In such a circumstance, success is not measured in a manner of days, but in years. Thus I very sadly find much to agree with in the comment you so eagerly dismissed.
- tracker1 8mo ago
  The Obama family seems to be doing quite well also... Obama turned everything that GWB was doing up to 11, and it would do most well to be aware of that. Obama had way more deportations than Trump has had and with less pressure to do so. The main thing today is a concerted campaign to literally destroy the country in favor of maoist reform.
  - aftbit 8mo ago
    Trump is up to ~3 million deportations now, while Obama did 3.1 million throughout his entire presidency. Obama's peak was 409k in 2012. Trump's peak was 605k in 2025. Unless this "concerted campaign" (i.e. broad based American public pressure) succeeds in changing Trump's strategy or reducing his power, he'll be well ahead of Obama before the midterms in 2026, let alone before the end of his presidency. Once they chew through the undocumented people in America, I wonder where the DHS is going to find the other 80 or 90 million people to deport? https://x.com/DHSgov/status/2006472108222853298 https://x.com/DHSgov/status/2006472108222853298
    - tracker1 8mo ago
      Where did you get 80-90 million... Even the most bloated estimates are around 30 million people who entered illegally. Also a majority of people still favor deportation of those who entered the IS illegally regardless of other criminal acts.
      - aftbit 8mo ago
        The DHS post I linked says "America After 100 Million Deportations". If you assume there are 20 million people who entered the US illegally (which I believe is a substantial over-estimate), then that means they need to find another 80 million people to deport to meet that ridiculous goal. Who will those people be? >a majority of people still favor deportation of those who entered the IS illegally regardless of other criminal acts. I'm not so sure about this. I think it depends on whose polls you believe. Here's one from Fox News from July of 2025 (before the absolute SNAFU in Minneapolis) which claims: >The latest Fox News survey, released Monday, finds 3 in 10 back deporting all illegal immigrants, while 6 in 10 supports only deporting those charged with crimes but would allow others to stay and apply for citizenship. One in 10 favors letting all illegal immigrants remain in the U.S. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-support-deportation-depends-who-being-targeted https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-support-depor...

adrian_b 8mo ago

I do not think that it is correct to call that as "the most successful", when the only people in the entire world who have benefited from the attack have been Bush Junior and all his political or businessmen friends, and they have benefited tremendously, by gaining huge amounts of money from the wars and from internal US "security" activities and by ensuring the reelection. If we assume that the purpose of the terror attack was the official one, it has not been successful for its initiators, but for those controlling USA. If "successful" is intended to refer to the fact that 3 out of 4 airplanes have reached their target, I remember how I watched live the events and I was stupefied that the 2nd and the 3rd airplanes have hit their targets. For the 1st airplane, it was normal to be successful, as nobody expected that action. But for the following 2, I was familiar with air defenses from places that are supposed to be much less advanced than USA and there was plenty of time to find the airplanes and shoot them down. I could never understand why this did not happen and even more I could never understand why there has never been any credible US official explanation for why it did not happen (I mean the explanation that they could not find the airplanes because they have turned off their transponders is not credible).

notepad0x90 8mo ago
what do you mean? The purpose of the terror attack was to destroy America. Bin Laden/AQ weren't trying to get rich (he was already from a rich family). He probably didn't anticipate how successful he'd be. he attacked WTC because it's a symbol of finance and economy; pentagon, military. he had targets like that. If you recall, it wasn't the US alone that invaded Afghanistan, it was NATO. Now, using the very same reactionary forces of his 9/11 attack, that very force that retaliated after 9/11 is being destroyed.
- adrian_b 8mo ago
  If the purpose of the attack was to destroy America, it certainly was a failure. The attack has killed a great number of innocent American citizens, but while this was a tragedy for their families, friends and relatives, this provided an opportunity for the US government and Republican Party of obtaining greatly increased powers and greatly increased spending and they have secured reelection and the ability to initiate a couple of wars from which some well-connected companies gained a lot. There is nothing that Bush Junior could have done to gain so much as he did, other than USA being the victim of such an attack. Assuming that the US government had nothing to do with the attack, it was nonetheless the luckiest event that could have ever happened to them. Bin Laden and his followers have gained absolutely nothing, except cheering like fools for a few days that they have hurt their supposed enemies.
  - pear01 8mo ago
    You seem to measure success with quite a short term view. You are wrong, the comment you are replying to is quite right. A few days? That one day led America to prosecute two wars for over a decade - both of which failed. Both of which seeded the ground for the current moment, as the prevailing political establishment has lost all credibility. This century was supposed to belong to America. Go back and see how optimistic people where about the new millennium. Where is that now? It's gone. Because the American government responded to one of the darkest days in history by: 1. Invading Afghanistan only to lose it two decades later to the very people they had tried to dislodge in the most painful way possible - literally running away on the tarmac while those that had risked their lives to support them were begging not to be abandoned. 2. Invading Iraq when there were no WMDs and Saddam Hussein has never had anything to do with the faction that was in Afghanistan. Thousands died for what? And we are still there even though that war was supposed to end long ago. Both of these entities had previously been supplied weapons by the United States btw, in Afghanistan against the Soviets and in Iraq against Iran. No one was held accountable for that. Oops. Why do you think people are voting for the system to be torn apart? You are correct the attack itself would not destroy America, as everyone knew. The question is what would America do after. On that count, the failures were numerous and again, no one in power was ever held accountable. This is its own form of lawlessness that has encouraged the present circumstances. Now a security apparatus that has failed to impose its will on the streets of the likes of Baghdad is manifesting in a new form in Minneapolis. Afghanistan was known as the graveyard of empires. The goal was to draw us there so it could once again live up to its name. In such a circumstance, success is not measured in a manner of days, but in years. Thus I very sadly find much to agree with in the comment you so eagerly dismissed.
tracker1 8mo ago
The Obama family seems to be doing quite well also... Obama turned everything that GWB was doing up to 11, and it would do most well to be aware of that. Obama had way more deportations than Trump has had and with less pressure to do so. The main thing today is a concerted campaign to literally destroy the country in favor of maoist reform.
- aftbit 8mo ago
  Trump is up to ~3 million deportations now, while Obama did 3.1 million throughout his entire presidency. Obama's peak was 409k in 2012. Trump's peak was 605k in 2025. Unless this "concerted campaign" (i.e. broad based American public pressure) succeeds in changing Trump's strategy or reducing his power, he'll be well ahead of Obama before the midterms in 2026, let alone before the end of his presidency. Once they chew through the undocumented people in America, I wonder where the DHS is going to find the other 80 or 90 million people to deport? https://x.com/DHSgov/status/2006472108222853298 https://x.com/DHSgov/status/2006472108222853298
  - tracker1 8mo ago
    Where did you get 80-90 million... Even the most bloated estimates are around 30 million people who entered illegally. Also a majority of people still favor deportation of those who entered the IS illegally regardless of other criminal acts.
    - aftbit 8mo ago
      The DHS post I linked says "America After 100 Million Deportations". If you assume there are 20 million people who entered the US illegally (which I believe is a substantial over-estimate), then that means they need to find another 80 million people to deport to meet that ridiculous goal. Who will those people be? >a majority of people still favor deportation of those who entered the IS illegally regardless of other criminal acts. I'm not so sure about this. I think it depends on whose polls you believe. Here's one from Fox News from July of 2025 (before the absolute SNAFU in Minneapolis) which claims: >The latest Fox News survey, released Monday, finds 3 in 10 back deporting all illegal immigrants, while 6 in 10 supports only deporting those charged with crimes but would allow others to stay and apply for citizenship. One in 10 favors letting all illegal immigrants remain in the U.S. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-support-deportation-depends-who-being-targeted https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-support-depor...