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I am agnostic, so I can't vote, apparently.
by markup 18y ago
I am agnostic, so I can't vote, apparently.
- mlLK 18y agoThe difference between 'without knowing' and 'without a god' is marginal (given the context of the poll/thread), so do the math. . .cast your ballot.
- deleted 18y ago[deleted]
- bscofield 18y agoConflating epistemology and metaphysics is never a good idea.
- byrneseyeview 18y agoI'm more worried about labeling something as metaphysical when epistemology leads to uncomfortable answers.
- homme 18y agoWhy does this worry you so?
- natch 18y agoYou're probably an atheist without realizing it. I've met many agnostics who weren't aware that there are different types of atheists, including many who don't know one way or another but lean toward disbelief, which is very close to agnosticism. The typical misunderstanding of atheism from self-described agnostics is that atheists claim to be certain that there is no God. Some atheists do that, but that's not the only kind of atheism. Another problem with agnosticism is agnostics seem to believe that one cannot assign any probability without perfect knowledge. Yet you do it every minute of every day, in ever decision you make. We live by probabilities and beliefs (and disbeliefs). I don't see why certain concepts in life should be off limits for assignment of probabilities.
- markup 18y agoI am a strong agnostic... or strongly agnostic, I don't know what's the proper grammatical form. But I DO know strong agnosticism is what sums my own thoughts on god. :-) (I don't get why you've been downmodded to -1, I have just +1'd you)
- TrevorJ 18y agoI believe that God exists, I however also believe that his existence cannot be proven empirically, what category does that put me in?
- markup 18y agoAgnostic theism
- bendotc 18y agoI believe lots of theists believe in God without believing in the possibility of an empirical truth. I've certainly met Christian scientists (not to be confused with Christian Scientists) who fall into this category. It would be silly to call them agnostics. As another poster wrote, often times agnostics approach the question as one of knowledge, whereas most theists as well as "weak" atheists see it as a question of belief. We all (well, almost all) believe all sorts of things that we do not truly know.
- jpd 18y ago
- lst 18y agoAgnostics are shy atheists. If the answer is either yes or no, and you say "maybe", you say "no", substantially. Why? Because every "no" is simply a refuted "yes" (philosophically speaking).
- markup 18y agoHow about no? I don't say "maybe", I say it is impossible to prove or disprove. Frankly reducing it to a "yes or no" question is really reductive, and pretty much a christian way to put things, if you will. Q: "Do you believe in god?" A: "I cannot know whether a god exists or not."
- lst 18y agoIf you say: "I cannot know whether a god exists or not.", you already say that you are not cause of yourself (otherwise you would know), and, consequently, there must be another cause outside yourself: And this is exactly the definition of "God".
- markup 18y agoYou are probably missing the point that agnosticism is about knowledge and not beliefs (sp?)... and frankly I am tired of keep on hearing people telling me I am an atheis, shy atheis or whatever -- so I am giving up.
- meep 18y agoWell it's kind of fitting if you think about it. Instead of choosing "none of the above", just don't choose any of the options ;).
- yters 18y agoSorry, my timeout is set too low, so I didn't keep track of comments. If I added it now, then it'd look like agnostics just didn't vote.