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A lot of you won’t want to hear it but HomeKit + iCloud secure video is the only way to go. For one thing it’s end to end encrypted. You can also do ML stuff li
by alehlopeh 9mo ago
A lot of you won’t want to hear it but HomeKit + iCloud secure video is the only way to go. For one thing it’s end to end encrypted. You can also do ML stuff like face recognition which happens locally on your Apple TV. And you can set it to trigger HomeKit scenes if eg the person in the video isn’t recognized, or if it recognizes a particular person. Yeah Apple bad, blah blah. But they don’t have an incentive to sell your data.
- willio58 9mo agoAnd there’s no subscription right?
- righthand 9mo agoIcloud subscription.
- righthand 9mo agoApple totally sells your data, they just anonymize it first. Why do you think they shifted towards services? They also can give the Feds access to your iCloud data through a NSL. Just like Prism.
- mwambua 9mo agoDo you have evidence of that?
- donohoe 9mo agoCitation needed
- macki0 9mo agoiCloud data can be end to end encrypted (https://support.apple.com/en-gb/108756 https://support.apple.com/en-gb/108756)
- Schiendelman 9mo agoiCloud Home video data is ALWAYS e2ee, even without using that setting.
- nozzlegear 9mo agoMcDonald's can give my data to the feds through an NSL, yet I still buy their fries every now and then despite the risk.
- noduerme 9mo agoThe good news is they can't catch you if you're already dead from a heart attack.
- p-e-w 9mo agoThere’s actually another alternative: Just don’t install surveillance in your home. Approximately nobody had it 20 years ago. Before asking which unreliable, overpriced, invasive gadget to buy, think about whether you really need any of them.
- Barrin92 9mo agoI always wonder what the overlap of this economically is. If you can afford all this home surveillance gear aren't you already likely to live in a place that's comically safe? Why are in particular Americans with their gated communities full of soccer moms and Labradors putting cameras on their house as if they're living on a US military base?
- nozzlegear 9mo agoWe have cameras to watch our dogs and make sure they're not getting into trouble with each other, things in the house, the cats, etc. We're not worried about bad guys or our personal safety.
- recursive 9mo agoI like the idea of comedy based on safety.
- kulahan 9mo agoTons of people had cameras 20 years ago. It was 2006, not 1906. Besides, we've had pets for surveillance for hundreds of thousands of years. Literally nobody in history has thought "nah no need for security". What a ridiculous way to try and be on a high horse.
- FarmerPotato 9mo agoPets as surveillance... now we watch the watchers.
- ThatMedicIsASpy 9mo agoA 1080p cam with night vision a mic and speakers is 20 bucks. Baby monitors where more expensive in the past (audio only).
- jonahx 9mo agoI would like to replace Ring with something fully local. Local ML/face recognition would be a bonus. Ability to sync to a private owned server owned by me would be a bonus. I'm assuming there are projects out there that would enable this -- does anyone have recommendations?
- brewtide 9mo agoFrigate NVR tied to a home assistant instance has my phone getting proactive notifications about people, birds, and buses (in their select areas...). It's not the easiest thing to setup, but if you're using ethernet cameras it seems to work very very well. The few POS wyze cameras's I have on the system tend to cause some problems, but I know for a fact it's 100% a combination of a) wifi (no matter how 'quality') b) wyze. So, yeah. Look into frigate.
- zamadatix 9mo agoWhen I got an Apple TV I never expected the main value I'd get out of it was being a smart home hub. I do wish the automations were a bit more programmable. Other than that it has been perfect, everything even failed over to my other Apple TV when rearranging the living room without having to think about setting either up as hubs.
- dewey 9mo agoAlso it's the perfect Tailscale exit node that's always online in your home (They have a tvOS app)
- noduerme 9mo agoI bought a windows minipc a couple months ago for this purpose, and it's basically useless if I'm on the road more than a week, because every windows update causes a reboot and a logout. I know, I should run Linux on it.
- Schiendelman 9mo agoIf you value your time, just get the Apple TV.
- Marsymars 9mo agoI'm a heavy Apple user (Apple TVs, Mac Mini, iPad), but we also have Android phones in my household, so HomeKit Secure Video is a no-go. If Apple ever releases an Apple Home app for Android, I'd transition my entire home over by the time of my next Google Home Premium subscription renewal.
- whatever1 9mo agoUnless you explicitly enable Advanced Protection mode for all your devices, Apple stores your key in their servers and will give it to whoever legitimate looking asks for it. Aka ICE etc will definitely be granted access.
- nozzlegear 9mo ago> Unless you explicitly enable Advanced Protection mode for all your devices This is very easy though, you just go to your iCloud account settings under the settings app and enable it. It should be on by default imo, but I understand the argument for why it isn't. Either way, enabling it is not a barrier and ICE cannot be granted access once you do unless you yourself give them that access.
- gib444 9mo agoExtremely tricky in the UK (Apple (at the behest of the Gov AFAIK) disabled it)
- nozzlegear 9mo agoAh my mistake, I forgot they did that.
- varenc 9mo agoI don't think that's true for HomeKit Secure Video (HKSV). Advanced Protection turns on E2EE for various iCloud services like iCloud backups and Apple photos. But HKSV is already E2EE'd and the decryption keys aren't part of the device's iCloud backup. At least that's my understanding. I believe health data and the iCloud keychain is similar.
- devStorms 9mo agoHome data is always E2EE https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651 https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651
- akimbostrawman 9mo ago
- radredgreen2 9mo agoAnd you can run open source camera firmware on a disconnected vlan if you don't want to trust a phone app or a camera with internet access. https://github.com/radredgreen/wyrecam https://github.com/radredgreen/wyrecam
- aenis 9mo agoHuh? Just roll your own, thats hacker news after all. Frigrate nvr + cameras that are confined to internal network. Easy peasy. And you get to set it up exactly as you want. p.s. i am not saying going with apple is a bad idea (i dont have an opinion), i am just saying thats far from the "only way to go"