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Let's call this what it is: 1. A way for politicians and the state to track porn habits to US citizens and use that information against them in the future. Bla

by echelon 9mo ago

Let's call this what it is: 1. A way for politicians and the state to track porn habits to US citizens and use that information against them in the future. Blackmail for the future politicians, business leaders, and wealthy to coerce them into doing what those in power want. 2. A way for conservatives to tighten the noose around non-chaste materials and begin to purge them from the internet. And if that works, that's hardly the last thing that will go. Next will be LGBT content, women's rights content, atheist content, pro-labor content, and more. (Or if you're on the other side of the political spectrum, consider that the powers could be used to remove Christian content, 2nd Amendment content, etc. It doesn't really matter what is being removed, just that the mechanisms are in place and that powers can put a lid on the populace.) We aren't screaming loudly enough. Do not try to sugar coat this with a pedantic mistake. This is far worse. It's a first step down a path the Big Brother state wants. Yell. Scream. Protest.

Aurornis 9mo ago
> 1. A way for politicians and the state to track porn habits to US citizens and use that information against them in the future. This topic really brings out the crazy conspiracy theories. No, politicians are not using Discord age verification to track constituents' porn habits and blackmail them with it later.
- echelon 9mo ago
  You poor summer child. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEXINT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEXINT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexpionage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexpionage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Vassall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Vassall https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/how-north-koreas-female-spies-are-trained-in-the-art-of-seduction-blackmail-and-murder/news-story/e436887ebd89e8f9d7c57ebd8d939b87 https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/how-no... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/11/nsa-tracking-online-porn-viewing-discredit-radicalizers https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/11/nsa-tracking-online-po... https://www.aclu.org/news/national-security/echoing-dirty-past-nsa-sought-reveal-porn-habits-discredit-targets https://www.aclu.org/news/national-security/echoing-dirty-pa... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/27/nsa-files-live-coverage-developments-reaction https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/27/nsa-files-live... It's such a successful strategy, even Bitcoin scammers use it: https://www.kaspersky.com/blog/extortion-spam/25070/ https://www.kaspersky.com/blog/extortion-spam/25070/ https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/27/asia/south-korea-telegram-sex-rooms-intl-hnk/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/27/asia/south-korea-telegram...
  - Aurornis 9mo ago
    > You poor summer child. Being condescending doesn't help your case. Link-bombing me with stories about Bitcoin scammers and South Korean telegram scams has nothing to do with your claim that politicians are using Discord to blackmail people about their porn habits. If state-level spy agencies wanted to spy on someone's porn habits, they do not need to kindly ask Discord to collect that person's ID.
    - CodeMage 9mo ago
      > If state-level spy agencies wanted to spy on someone's porn habits, they do not need to kindly ask Discord to collect that person's ID. The first time I ever had a conversation about privacy concerns with anyone was around 1999. I've been hearing this kind of argument ever since then. Meanwhile, the erosion of privacy since back then has been nothing short of staggering. We're at the point where we have government using Palantir to target the people, yet somehow privacy concerns keep falling on deaf ears and keep producing the same old "government doesn't need this latest privacy-eroding change" knee-jerk non-argument. No, they might not need it, strictly speaking, but it sure as hell comes in handy, not to mention that it shifts the Overton window and serves as a stepping stone for the next invasion of privacy.
  - duskwuff 9mo ago
    > It's such a successful strategy, even Bitcoin scammers use it: For years, email spammers have claimed to have tracked victims' porn habits to try to extort them. That's a far cry from actually doing so. (And no, they aren't actually doing it.)
    - jajuuka 9mo ago
      Right? I have a spam folder full of automated "we saw what you did and recorded it and we're gonna send it to everyone unless you give us bitcoin".
  - wolvoleo 9mo ago
    The best thing against this is to promote sex-positive values. You can't be blackmailed about some sex habits if you're not going to be ashamed of them :) it will also really tick conservatives off which isn't a bad side-effect. The only sexual habits people should be ashamed of are non-consensual sex and anything underage of course. But the conservative values are the very reason many people can be blackmailed in the first place.
- kdheiwns 9mo ago
  It's as crazy of a conspiracy as the NSA listening to your phone calls or ICE will arrest American citizens. It's a few years too late to call it just a theory when it's already happening. There have loads of "hacks" where nudes and dating profiles with photos are somehow leaked. There's a zero percent chance they somehow decide Discord or specific porn sites are safe, don't worry, just upload those full face and ID scans bro.
  - Natfan 9mo ago
    ~~arrest~~ execute, in broad daylight
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tbrownaw 9mo ago
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jayers 9mo ago
As someone who was actually hurt by being exposed to pornography as a child (though this was on the wild internet before Discord), I think you're being both histrionic and downplaying the dangers posed to children online.
- apopapo 9mo ago
  That does not mean everybody systematically is "hurt" like you were. That is a very dangerous extrapolation.
  - jayers 9mo ago
    Of course not everybody is systematically hurt nor did I claim that. About 11% of porn users are addicts. Porn addiction is real and incredibly difficult. But even when you are not addicted, regular porn usage has negative effects on mental health (lower impulse control, higher rates of depression and anxiety). It stands to reason that this effect would be exaggerated in children and teenagers. At best, pornography is akin to alcohol and cigarettes. We regulate the ability of minors to access these things for obvious reasons. I see no reason why internet pornography is different.

by echelon 9mo ago

Aurornis 9mo ago

> 1. A way for politicians and the state to track porn habits to US citizens and use that information against them in the future. This topic really brings out the crazy conspiracy theories. No, politicians are not using Discord age verification to track constituents' porn habits and blackmail them with it later.

echelon 9mo ago
You poor summer child. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEXINT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEXINT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexpionage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexpionage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Vassall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Vassall https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/how-north-koreas-female-spies-are-trained-in-the-art-of-seduction-blackmail-and-murder/news-story/e436887ebd89e8f9d7c57ebd8d939b87 https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/how-no... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/11/nsa-tracking-online-porn-viewing-discredit-radicalizers https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/11/nsa-tracking-online-po... https://www.aclu.org/news/national-security/echoing-dirty-past-nsa-sought-reveal-porn-habits-discredit-targets https://www.aclu.org/news/national-security/echoing-dirty-pa... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/27/nsa-files-live-coverage-developments-reaction https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/27/nsa-files-live... It's such a successful strategy, even Bitcoin scammers use it: https://www.kaspersky.com/blog/extortion-spam/25070/ https://www.kaspersky.com/blog/extortion-spam/25070/ https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/27/asia/south-korea-telegram-sex-rooms-intl-hnk/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/27/asia/south-korea-telegram...
- Aurornis 9mo ago
  > You poor summer child. Being condescending doesn't help your case. Link-bombing me with stories about Bitcoin scammers and South Korean telegram scams has nothing to do with your claim that politicians are using Discord to blackmail people about their porn habits. If state-level spy agencies wanted to spy on someone's porn habits, they do not need to kindly ask Discord to collect that person's ID.
  - CodeMage 9mo ago
    > If state-level spy agencies wanted to spy on someone's porn habits, they do not need to kindly ask Discord to collect that person's ID. The first time I ever had a conversation about privacy concerns with anyone was around 1999. I've been hearing this kind of argument ever since then. Meanwhile, the erosion of privacy since back then has been nothing short of staggering. We're at the point where we have government using Palantir to target the people, yet somehow privacy concerns keep falling on deaf ears and keep producing the same old "government doesn't need this latest privacy-eroding change" knee-jerk non-argument. No, they might not need it, strictly speaking, but it sure as hell comes in handy, not to mention that it shifts the Overton window and serves as a stepping stone for the next invasion of privacy.
- duskwuff 9mo ago
  > It's such a successful strategy, even Bitcoin scammers use it: For years, email spammers have claimed to have tracked victims' porn habits to try to extort them. That's a far cry from actually doing so. (And no, they aren't actually doing it.)
  - jajuuka 9mo ago
    Right? I have a spam folder full of automated "we saw what you did and recorded it and we're gonna send it to everyone unless you give us bitcoin".
- wolvoleo 9mo ago
  The best thing against this is to promote sex-positive values. You can't be blackmailed about some sex habits if you're not going to be ashamed of them :) it will also really tick conservatives off which isn't a bad side-effect. The only sexual habits people should be ashamed of are non-consensual sex and anything underage of course. But the conservative values are the very reason many people can be blackmailed in the first place.
kdheiwns 9mo ago
It's as crazy of a conspiracy as the NSA listening to your phone calls or ICE will arrest American citizens. It's a few years too late to call it just a theory when it's already happening. There have loads of "hacks" where nudes and dating profiles with photos are somehow leaked. There's a zero percent chance they somehow decide Discord or specific porn sites are safe, don't worry, just upload those full face and ID scans bro.
- Natfan 9mo ago
  ~~arrest~~ execute, in broad daylight

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tbrownaw 9mo ago

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jayers 9mo ago

As someone who was actually hurt by being exposed to pornography as a child (though this was on the wild internet before Discord), I think you're being both histrionic and downplaying the dangers posed to children online.

apopapo 9mo ago
That does not mean everybody systematically is "hurt" like you were. That is a very dangerous extrapolation.
- jayers 9mo ago
  Of course not everybody is systematically hurt nor did I claim that. About 11% of porn users are addicts. Porn addiction is real and incredibly difficult. But even when you are not addicted, regular porn usage has negative effects on mental health (lower impulse control, higher rates of depression and anxiety). It stands to reason that this effect would be exaggerated in children and teenagers. At best, pornography is akin to alcohol and cigarettes. We regulate the ability of minors to access these things for obvious reasons. I see no reason why internet pornography is different.