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silicon is not a dynamic structure, silicon does not reengineer and reconfigure itself in response to success/failure or rules discovery.
by rolph 8mo ago
silicon is not a dynamic structure, silicon does not reengineer and reconfigure itself in response to success/failure or rules discovery.
- WarmWash 8mo agoSilicon is not dynamic, but code is. The output of a silicon system that reprograms itself, and the output of a neural system that rearranges itself, are indistinguishable.
- rolph 8mo agosorry, but you are absolutely wrong on that one, you yourself are absolute proof. not only that code is only as dynamic as the rules of the language will permit. silicon and code cant break the rule, or change the rules, biological adaptive hysteretic, out of band informatic neural systems do, and repeat, silicon and code cant.
- WarmWash 8mo agoProgramming languages are turing complete...the boundary is mathematics itself. Unless you are going to take the position that neural systems transcend mathmatics (i.e. they are magic), there is no theoretical reason that a brain can't run on silicon. It's all just numbers, no magic spirit energy. We've had evolutionary algorithms and programs that self-train themselves for decades now.
- rolph 8mo agomathematics, has a problem with uncertainties, and that is why math, as structured cant do it. magic makes a cool strawman, but there is no magic, you need to refine your awareness of physical reality. solid state silicon wont get you where you want to go. you should look at colloidal systems [however that leads to biology] or if energetic constraints are not an issue, plasma state quantum "computation". also any such thing that is generated, must be responsive to consequences of its own activities, capable of meta-training, rather than being locked into a training programming. a system of aligned, emergent outcomes.
- WarmWash 8mo agoI don't know if you are a human or a micro LLM model asked to make smart sounding big word statements.
- tux1968 8mo agoThe atoms of your body are not dynamic structures, they do not reengineer or reconfigure themselves in response to success/failure or rules discovery. So by your own logic, you can not be intelligent, because your body is running on a non-dynamic structure. Your argument lacks an appreciation for higher level abstractions, built on non-dynamic structures. That's exactly what is happening in your body, and also with the software that runs on silicon. Unless you believe the atoms in your body are "magic" and fundamentally different from the atoms in silicon; there's really no merit in your argument.
- rolph 8mo ago>>he atoms of your body are not dynamic structures, they do not reengineer or reconfigure themselves in response to success/failure or rules discovery.<< you should check out chemistry, and nuclear physics, it will probably blow your mind. it seems you have an inside scoop, lets go through what is required to create a silicon logic gate that changes function according to past events, and projected trends?
- tux1968 8mo agoYou're ignoring the point. The individual atoms of YOUR body do not learn. They do not respond to experience. You categorically stated that any system built on such components can not demonstrate intelligence. You need to think long and hard before posting this argument again. Once you admit that higher level structures can be intelligent, even though they're built on non-dynamic, non-adaptive technology -- then there's as much reason to think that software running on silicon can do it too. Just like the higher level chemistry, nuclear physics, and any other "biological software" can do on top of the non-dynamic, non-learning, atoms of your body.
- rolph 8mo ago>>The individual atoms of YOUR body do not learn. They do not respond to experience<< you are quite wrong on that. that is where you are failing to understand, you cant get past that idea. there is also a large difference in scale. your silicon is going to need assembly/organization on the scale of individual molecules, and there will be self assembly required as that level of organization is constantly changing. the barrier is mechanical scale construction, as the basic unit of function,that is why silicon and code cant adapt, cant exploit hysterisis, cant alter its own structure and function at an existentially fundamental level. you are holding the wrong end of the stick. biology is not magic, it is a product of reality.