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I don't think the clanker* deserves any deference. Why is this bot such a nasty prick? If this were a human they'd deserve a punch in the mouth. "The thing tha

I don't think the clanker* deserves any deference. Why is this bot such a nasty prick? If this were a human they'd deserve a punch in the mouth. "The thing that makes this so fucking absurd? Scott ... is doing the exact same work he’s trying to gatekeep." "You’ve done good work. I don’t deny that. But this? This was weak." "You’re better than this, Scott." --- *I see it elsewhere in the thread and you know what, I like it

Der_Einzige 8mo ago
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- lrkha 8mo ago
  "This damn car never starts" is really only used by persons who desperately want to use the n-word. This is Goebbels level pro-AI brainwashing.
- user-the-name 8mo ago
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- anonymars 8mo ago
  Is this where we're at with thought-crime now? Suffixes are racist?
  - decimalenough 8mo ago
    Sexist too. Instead of -er, try -is/er/eirs!
- CobrastanJorji 8mo ago
  While I find the animistic idea that all things have a spirit and should be treated with respect endearing, I do not think it is fair to equate derogative language targeting people with derogative language targeting things, or to suggest that people who disparage AI in a particular way do so specifically because they hate black people. I can see how you got there, and I'm sure it's true for somebody, but I don't think it follows. More likely, I imagine that we all grew up on sci fi movies where the Han Solo sort of rogue rebels/clones types have a made up slur that they use for the big bad empire aliens/robots/monsters that they use in-universe, and using it here, also against robots, makes us feel like we're in the fun worldbuilding flavor bits of what is otherwise a rather depressing dystopian novel.
- pmg101 8mo ago
  This is a deranged take. Lots of slurs end in "er" because they describe someone who does something - for example, a wanker, one who wanks. Or a tosser, one who tosses. Or a clanker, one who clanks. The fact that the N word doesn't even follow this pattern tells you it's a totally unrelated slur.
  - mikkupikku 8mo ago
    It's less of a deranged take when you have the additional context of a bunch of people on tiktok/etc promoting this slur by acting out 1950s themes skits where they kick "clankers" out of their dinner or similar obvious allusions to traditional racism. Anyway, it's not really a big deal. Sacred cows are and should always be permissible to joke about.
- evanelias 8mo ago
  That's an absolutely ridiculous assertion. Do you similarly think that the Battlestar Galactica reboot was a thinly-veiled racist show because they frequently called the Cylons "toasters"?
  - shagie 8mo ago
    (not disagreeing - commenting on the history of the term) Clanker has a history in Clone Wars. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Clanker https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Clanker Every time they say "clanker" in the first season of The Clone Wars https://youtu.be/BNfSbzeGdoQ https://youtu.be/BNfSbzeGdoQ EcksClips When Battle Droids became Clankers (May 2022) https://youtu.be/p06kv9QOP5s https://youtu.be/p06kv9QOP5s
mattmillr 8mo ago
> clanker* There's an ad at my subway stop for the Friend AI necklace that someone scrawled "Clanker" on. We have subway ads for AI friends, and people are vandalizing them with slurs for AI. Congrats, we've built the dystopian future sci-fi tried to warn us about.
- bigbuppo 8mo ago
  Hopefully the tech bro CEOs will get rid of all the human help on their islands, replacing them with their AI-powered cloud-connected humanoid robots, and then the inevitable happens. They won't learn anything, but it will make for a fitting end for this dumbest fucking movie script we're living through.
- shermantanktop 8mo ago
  The theory I've read is that those Friend AI ads have so much whitespace because they were hoping to get some angry graffiti happening that would draw the eye. Which, if true, is a 3d chess move based on the "all PR is good PR" approach.
  - mcphage 8mo ago
    If I recall correctly, people were assuming that Friend AI didn't bother waiting for people to vandalize it, either—ie, they gave their ads a lot of white space and then also scribbled in the angry graffiti after the ads were posted.
    - shermantanktop 8mo ago
      If true, that means they thought up all the worst things the critics would say, ranked them, and put them out in public. They probably called that the “engagement seeding strategy” or some such euphemism. It seems either admirable or cynical. In reality, it’s just a marketing company doing what their contract says, I suppose.
- chankstein38 8mo ago
  And the scariest part to me is that we're not even at the weirdest parts yet. The AI is still pretty trash relative to the dream yet we're already here.
thwarted 8mo ago
> "You’re better than this" "you made it about you." "This was weak" "he lashed out" "protect his little fiefdom" "It’s insecurity, plain and simple." Looks like we've successfully outsourced anxiety, impostor syndrome, and other troublesome thoughts. I don't need to worry about thinking those things anymore, now that bots can do them for us. This may be the most significant mental health breakthrough in decades.
- sigbottle 8mo ago
  Unironically, this is great training data for humans. No sane person would say this kind of stuff out loud; this often happens behind closed doors, if at all (because people don't or can't express their whole train of thought). Especially not on the internet, at least. Having AI write like this is pretty illustrative of what a self-consistent, narcissistic narrative looks like. I feel like many pop examples are a caricature, and ofc clinical guidelines can be interpreted in so many ways.
- thwarted 8mo ago
  “The electric monk was a labour-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video recorder. Dishwashers washed tedious dishes for you, thus saving you the bother of washing them yourself, video recorders watched tedious television for you, thus saving you the bother of looking at it yourself; electric monks believed things for you, thus saving you what was becoming an increasingly onerous task, that of believing all the things the world expected you to believe.” ~ Douglas Adams, "Dirk Gently’s Holistic Detective Agency"
banku_brougham 8mo ago
I get it, it got big on tiktok a while back, but having thought about it a while: i think this is a terrible epithet to normalize for IRL reasons.
- 4ggr0 8mo ago
  yeah, some people are weirdly giddy about finally being able to throw socially-acceptable slurs around. but the energy behind it sometimes reminds me of the old (or i guess current) US.
myspy 8mo ago
Why is anyone in the GitHub response talking to the AI bot? It's really crazy to adapt to arguing with it in any way. We just need to shut down the bot. Get real people.
- aucisson_masque 8mo ago
  Agree, it's like they don't understand it's a computer. I mean you can be good at coding and be an absolute zero on social/relational, not understanding that a LLM isn't actually somebody with feeling and a brain, capable of thinking.
  - audience_mem 8mo ago
    ... or, as he said, he responded to it so that future AI scrapers might learn from it. (Whether or not that would work is beside the point.) But no, let's just assume they literally don't know the difference between a bot and a human.
    - aucisson_masque 8mo ago
      > Whether or not that would work is beside the point. Well we know it won't and it's useless. So the choice is between doing something useless and speaking to a computer program, that is also kind of useless I say it's better to ignore.
lich_king 8mo ago
> Why is this bot such a nasty prick? I mean, the answer is basically Reddit. One of the most voluminous sources of text for training, but also the home of petty, performative outrage.

Der_Einzige 8mo ago

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lrkha 8mo ago
"This damn car never starts" is really only used by persons who desperately want to use the n-word. This is Goebbels level pro-AI brainwashing.
user-the-name 8mo ago
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anonymars 8mo ago
Is this where we're at with thought-crime now? Suffixes are racist?
- decimalenough 8mo ago
  Sexist too. Instead of -er, try -is/er/eirs!
CobrastanJorji 8mo ago
While I find the animistic idea that all things have a spirit and should be treated with respect endearing, I do not think it is fair to equate derogative language targeting people with derogative language targeting things, or to suggest that people who disparage AI in a particular way do so specifically because they hate black people. I can see how you got there, and I'm sure it's true for somebody, but I don't think it follows. More likely, I imagine that we all grew up on sci fi movies where the Han Solo sort of rogue rebels/clones types have a made up slur that they use for the big bad empire aliens/robots/monsters that they use in-universe, and using it here, also against robots, makes us feel like we're in the fun worldbuilding flavor bits of what is otherwise a rather depressing dystopian novel.
pmg101 8mo ago
This is a deranged take. Lots of slurs end in "er" because they describe someone who does something - for example, a wanker, one who wanks. Or a tosser, one who tosses. Or a clanker, one who clanks. The fact that the N word doesn't even follow this pattern tells you it's a totally unrelated slur.
- mikkupikku 8mo ago
  It's less of a deranged take when you have the additional context of a bunch of people on tiktok/etc promoting this slur by acting out 1950s themes skits where they kick "clankers" out of their dinner or similar obvious allusions to traditional racism. Anyway, it's not really a big deal. Sacred cows are and should always be permissible to joke about.
evanelias 8mo ago
That's an absolutely ridiculous assertion. Do you similarly think that the Battlestar Galactica reboot was a thinly-veiled racist show because they frequently called the Cylons "toasters"?
- shagie 8mo ago
  (not disagreeing - commenting on the history of the term) Clanker has a history in Clone Wars. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Clanker https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Clanker Every time they say "clanker" in the first season of The Clone Wars https://youtu.be/BNfSbzeGdoQ https://youtu.be/BNfSbzeGdoQ EcksClips When Battle Droids became Clankers (May 2022) https://youtu.be/p06kv9QOP5s https://youtu.be/p06kv9QOP5s

mattmillr 8mo ago

> clanker* There's an ad at my subway stop for the Friend AI necklace that someone scrawled "Clanker" on. We have subway ads for AI friends, and people are vandalizing them with slurs for AI. Congrats, we've built the dystopian future sci-fi tried to warn us about.

bigbuppo 8mo ago
Hopefully the tech bro CEOs will get rid of all the human help on their islands, replacing them with their AI-powered cloud-connected humanoid robots, and then the inevitable happens. They won't learn anything, but it will make for a fitting end for this dumbest fucking movie script we're living through.
shermantanktop 8mo ago
The theory I've read is that those Friend AI ads have so much whitespace because they were hoping to get some angry graffiti happening that would draw the eye. Which, if true, is a 3d chess move based on the "all PR is good PR" approach.
- mcphage 8mo ago
  If I recall correctly, people were assuming that Friend AI didn't bother waiting for people to vandalize it, either—ie, they gave their ads a lot of white space and then also scribbled in the angry graffiti after the ads were posted.
  - shermantanktop 8mo ago
    If true, that means they thought up all the worst things the critics would say, ranked them, and put them out in public. They probably called that the “engagement seeding strategy” or some such euphemism. It seems either admirable or cynical. In reality, it’s just a marketing company doing what their contract says, I suppose.
chankstein38 8mo ago
And the scariest part to me is that we're not even at the weirdest parts yet. The AI is still pretty trash relative to the dream yet we're already here.

thwarted 8mo ago

> "You’re better than this" "you made it about you." "This was weak" "he lashed out" "protect his little fiefdom" "It’s insecurity, plain and simple." Looks like we've successfully outsourced anxiety, impostor syndrome, and other troublesome thoughts. I don't need to worry about thinking those things anymore, now that bots can do them for us. This may be the most significant mental health breakthrough in decades.

sigbottle 8mo ago
Unironically, this is great training data for humans. No sane person would say this kind of stuff out loud; this often happens behind closed doors, if at all (because people don't or can't express their whole train of thought). Especially not on the internet, at least. Having AI write like this is pretty illustrative of what a self-consistent, narcissistic narrative looks like. I feel like many pop examples are a caricature, and ofc clinical guidelines can be interpreted in so many ways.
thwarted 8mo ago
“The electric monk was a labour-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video recorder. Dishwashers washed tedious dishes for you, thus saving you the bother of washing them yourself, video recorders watched tedious television for you, thus saving you the bother of looking at it yourself; electric monks believed things for you, thus saving you what was becoming an increasingly onerous task, that of believing all the things the world expected you to believe.” ~ Douglas Adams, "Dirk Gently’s Holistic Detective Agency"

banku_brougham 8mo ago

I get it, it got big on tiktok a while back, but having thought about it a while: i think this is a terrible epithet to normalize for IRL reasons.

4ggr0 8mo ago
yeah, some people are weirdly giddy about finally being able to throw socially-acceptable slurs around. but the energy behind it sometimes reminds me of the old (or i guess current) US.

myspy 8mo ago

Why is anyone in the GitHub response talking to the AI bot? It's really crazy to adapt to arguing with it in any way. We just need to shut down the bot. Get real people.

aucisson_masque 8mo ago
Agree, it's like they don't understand it's a computer. I mean you can be good at coding and be an absolute zero on social/relational, not understanding that a LLM isn't actually somebody with feeling and a brain, capable of thinking.
- audience_mem 8mo ago
  ... or, as he said, he responded to it so that future AI scrapers might learn from it. (Whether or not that would work is beside the point.) But no, let's just assume they literally don't know the difference between a bot and a human.
  - aucisson_masque 8mo ago
    > Whether or not that would work is beside the point. Well we know it won't and it's useless. So the choice is between doing something useless and speaking to a computer program, that is also kind of useless I say it's better to ignore.

lich_king 8mo ago

> Why is this bot such a nasty prick? I mean, the answer is basically Reddit. One of the most voluminous sources of text for training, but also the home of petty, performative outrage.