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I don't thing it's purely stubbornness. Tesla sold the promise of software only updates resulting in FSD to hundreds of thousands of people. Not all of those pe

by 0xffff2 8mo ago

I don't thing it's purely stubbornness. Tesla sold the promise of software only updates resulting in FSD to hundreds of thousands of people. Not all of those people are in the cult of Tesla. I would expect admitting defeat at this point would result in a large class action lawsuit at the very least.

sjsdaiuasgdia 8mo ago
The terms of service probably require you to sue Tesla in that Texas district with his corrupt judge pal.
fhd2 8mo ago
It wouldn't keep them from equipping _new_ models with additional sensors, spinning a story around how this helps them train the camera-only AI, or whatever.
- Dumblydorr 8mo ago
  It’s vaporware and it’s dollars and cents. Tesla EVs are already too expensive. He has no margin to include thousands more on sensors, alternative being the lawsuits that would follow if he admits it was all vaporware.
inerte 8mo ago
I know it's "illegal" and technically sold as FSD (assisted), but just 2 days ago I was in a friend's Model Y and it drove from work to my house (both in San Jose) without any steering wheel or pedal touch, at all. And he told me he went to Palm Springs like that too. I shit on Tesla and Elon on any opportunity, and it's a shame they basically have the software out there doing things when it probably shouldn't, but I don't think they're that far behind Waymo where it really matters, which is the thing actually working.
- ikrenji 8mo ago
  I suspect they have a long tail problem with FSD. It might work fine 99% but that's simply not good enough.
- dboreham 8mo ago
  Palm Springs from San Jose? Albeit freeway throughout but that's quite impressive.
- Dumblydorr 8mo ago
  Nice illusion of competence on easy conditions…Until it hits a person and Tesla EV performs far worse than the Waymo both during th crash and afterwards PR wise. Guarantee you Elon will throw the driver under the bus for not watching, not his sketchy system.
  - ikrenji 8mo ago
    the driver and the pedestrian both

by 0xffff2 8mo ago

sjsdaiuasgdia 8mo ago

The terms of service probably require you to sue Tesla in that Texas district with his corrupt judge pal.

fhd2 8mo ago

It wouldn't keep them from equipping _new_ models with additional sensors, spinning a story around how this helps them train the camera-only AI, or whatever.

Dumblydorr 8mo ago
It’s vaporware and it’s dollars and cents. Tesla EVs are already too expensive. He has no margin to include thousands more on sensors, alternative being the lawsuits that would follow if he admits it was all vaporware.

inerte 8mo ago

I know it's "illegal" and technically sold as FSD (assisted), but just 2 days ago I was in a friend's Model Y and it drove from work to my house (both in San Jose) without any steering wheel or pedal touch, at all. And he told me he went to Palm Springs like that too. I shit on Tesla and Elon on any opportunity, and it's a shame they basically have the software out there doing things when it probably shouldn't, but I don't think they're that far behind Waymo where it really matters, which is the thing actually working.

ikrenji 8mo ago
I suspect they have a long tail problem with FSD. It might work fine 99% but that's simply not good enough.
dboreham 8mo ago
Palm Springs from San Jose? Albeit freeway throughout but that's quite impressive.
Dumblydorr 8mo ago
Nice illusion of competence on easy conditions…Until it hits a person and Tesla EV performs far worse than the Waymo both during th crash and afterwards PR wise. Guarantee you Elon will throw the driver under the bus for not watching, not his sketchy system.
- ikrenji 8mo ago
  the driver and the pedestrian both