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The law does not allow for cruel and unusual punishment. The Eight Amendment is strongly being violated by the administration. The ICE facilities are extremely
by OutOfHere 9mo ago
The law does not allow for cruel and unusual punishment. The Eight Amendment is strongly being violated by the administration. The ICE facilities are extremely poor, unfit for habitation, and are essentially concentration camps. Refer to https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/12/opinion/mass-detention-immigration-court-ruling.html?unlocked_article_code=1.LlA.PeVx.YFPyku-VJ0Mh&smid=url-share https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/12/opinion/mass-detention-im...
- giraffe_lady 9mo agoThe person you're arguing with is simply in favor of concentration camps and ethnic cleansing. They have 15 years of comments you can skim to verify this, they are very consistent. You are not changing their mind and are just giving them a venue to present this abominable "if it's legal it's fine" framework.
- rayiner 9mo ago[flagged]
- giraffe_lady 9mo agoI believe migration is a right yes. Laws infringe rights all the time the legality doesn't bear on the morality at all.
- rayiner 9mo agoYou’re welcome to that view, but most people in the world don’t believe that. Including most people in the countries that these immigrants are coming from.
- giraffe_lady 9mo agoI know I just think it's funny how often you ask that like it's some gotcha or clever trick rather than a core value of mine that I will proudly own. Free movement of people will be the human rights issue of the 21st century as decolonization was the 20th and abolition the 19th. You'll die peacefully in a world made better against your will, fuming and raging, like the slaveholders & monarchists you admire.
- rayiner 9mo agoNo, I suspect I’ll die in an America that’s closer to the third world country my parents escaped from. Because entropy is a real thing and so is regression to the mean.
- OutOfHere 9mo agoRead the article. The article is about citizens, not illegal immigrants. Also, the fraud rules that you're pushing have everything to do with race and nothing to do with the acquisition of citizenship.
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- dttze 9mo ago[dead]
- rayiner 9mo agoInvoking the eight amendment here is like some “sovereign citizen” theory of why they don’t have to pay taxes. The eighth amendment means you can’t draw and quarter people, it doesn’t mean that jails have to be nice: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/cruel_and_unusual_punishment https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/cruel_and_unusual_punishment
- OutOfHere 9mo agoThere is a big difference between being nice and being habitable. The ICE facilities are not habitable.