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Yeah, please leave the cultural analysis to anthropologists, sociologists, etc. The engineering-focused materialist way of looking at stuff like this makes my h
by unicorn_cowboy 8mo ago
Yeah, please leave the cultural analysis to anthropologists, sociologists, etc. The engineering-focused materialist way of looking at stuff like this makes my head and heart hurt.
- AndrewKemendo 8mo agoIs your opinion that there is something non-material about Humans?
- unicorn_cowboy 8mo agoMaterialism is not fundamental; consciousness is. This assumes materialism as fundamental.
- AndrewKemendo 8mo ago> Materialism is not fundamental; consciousness is What is your epistemological basis for this claim? Any proof of this? And just for extreme clarity note: at no point have I made a claim yet
- svnt 8mo agoThe human concept of materialism appears to have been produced by historical humans who were also conscious, which at least sets an order. To call this into question is to render logical debate incoherent. Materialism is a theory, not a reality, but its adherents can't tell the difference.
- AndrewKemendo 8mo agoSo your epistemology is historicism?
- svnt 8mo agoDid you recently discover the idea of epistemology or does your line of questioning have a purpose?
- AndrewKemendo 8mo agoThe OP suggested “The engineering-focused materialist way of looking at stuff like this makes my head and heart hurt.” Therefore excluding “materialist way of looking at stuff” from the question of social theory I have still yet to hear any elucidation with any type of philosophical rigor of why about the questions of humanity should exclude materialist lenses Further, at no point was there a epistemological foundation laid for the claim that consciousness is the foundation apriori from materialism
- svnt 8mo agoI read it as an expression of personal experience, not a declaration of anything. "Be not arrogant because of your knowledge, but confer with the ignorant man as with the learned, for the limits of skill are not attainable."
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- unicorn_cowboy 8mo agoHere's a starter pack of resources: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-holographic-universe-michael-talbot https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-holographic-unive... https://www.essentiafoundation.org/ https://www.essentiafoundation.org/ https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/ https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/ Be advised this is not something that can be understood through intellectualization. At some point you have to put down the books and seek out the experience.
- fc417fc802 8mo ago> To call this into question is to render logical debate incoherent. Unfortunately there are quite a few things of that nature. In no case does it justify blindly picking one of the options and then following up with bold claims based on an arbitrary assumption.
- svnt 8mo agoWhere did I make the case that it does?
- strogonoff 8mo agoWhether monastic materialism or idealism is correct would be an unfalsifiable claim within the framework of natural scientific method. (That method is designed to help us make predictions; interpreting experimental outcome for a statement of objective truth is a misapplication of scientific method.) An existing natural-scientific model can be referenced in a philosophical argument, but the argument remains a philosophical statement. A philosophical argument can still be debated on other merits—e.g., which alternative grants magical objective existence to more arbitrary entities, or such.
- houllan633 8mo agoAre you interchangeable with a few mounds containing the exact same amount of the same molecules as your body?
- patch_cable 8mo agoIn the exact same configuration? Yes.
- throw36745 8mo agoReducing sociology to physics is a category error?
- unicorn_cowboy 8mo agoIt's missing the forest for the trees.
- svnt 8mo agoHumans are nearly defined by their access to the abstract. The abstract is definitionally non-material.
- fc417fc802 8mo agoI dunno about that, latent spaces are looking pretty material these days. I've got several variants saved to my local disk.
- svnt 8mo agoMap meets territory.
- michaelhoney 8mo agoWhy gatekeep like this? If you had developed an interesting account of some engineering topic and were told to leave it to the pros, you would find it deflating