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>The law specifically permits detention pending a determination of immigration status, and in some cases requires such detention In many cases, they are using

by vharuck 8mo ago

>The law specifically permits detention pending a determination of immigration status, and in some cases requires such detention In many cases, they are using detention where a simple bond would work. There's a NY Times opinion today detailing this: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/12/opinion/mass-detention-immigration-court-ruling.html?unlocked_article_code=1.LlA.PeVx.YFPyku-VJ0Mh&smid=url-share https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/12/opinion/mass-detention-im... It's hard to see this policy choice as anything other than putting pressure on people alleged to have committed a misdemeanor. Meanwhile, it will cost the federal government gobs of money to set up these camps, hire guards, and provide for the detainees. I don't want the government to waste my taxes on cruelty.

rayiner 8mo ago
> In many cases, they are using detention where a simple bond would work. But the bonds didn't work! That is what the prior administrations did, and the result of that was 22 million illegal immigrants in the country (according to a Yale and MIT study from 2018: https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twic...). The law specifically provides for detention and release on bond as two alternatives the Attorney General may choose between: "On a warrant issued by the Attorney General, an alien may be arrested and detained pending a decision on whether the alien is to be removed from the United States. Except as provided in subsection (c) and pending such decision, the Attorney General— (1) may continue to detain the arrested alien; and (2) may release the alien on— (A) bond of at least $1,500 with security approved by, and containing conditions prescribed by, the Attorney General; or (B) conditional parole..." 8 USC 1226(a).
- OutOfHere 8mo ago
  The law does not allow for cruel and unusual punishment. The Eight Amendment is strongly being violated by the administration. The ICE facilities are extremely poor, unfit for habitation, and are essentially concentration camps. Refer to https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/12/opinion/mass-detention-immigration-court-ruling.html?unlocked_article_code=1.LlA.PeVx.YFPyku-VJ0Mh&smid=url-share https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/12/opinion/mass-detention-im...
  - giraffe_lady 8mo ago
    The person you're arguing with is simply in favor of concentration camps and ethnic cleansing. They have 15 years of comments you can skim to verify this, they are very consistent. You are not changing their mind and are just giving them a venue to present this abominable "if it's legal it's fine" framework.
    - rayiner 8mo ago
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      - giraffe_lady 8mo ago
        I believe migration is a right yes. Laws infringe rights all the time the legality doesn't bear on the morality at all.
        rayiner 8mo ago
        You’re welcome to that view, but most people in the world don’t believe that. Including most people in the countries that these immigrants are coming from.
        giraffe_lady 8mo ago
        I know I just think it's funny how often you ask that like it's some gotcha or clever trick rather than a core value of mine that I will proudly own. Free movement of people will be the human rights issue of the 21st century as decolonization was the 20th and abolition the 19th. You'll die peacefully in a world made better against your will, fuming and raging, like the slaveholders & monarchists you admire.
        rayiner 8mo ago
        No, I suspect I’ll die in an America that’s closer to the third world country my parents escaped from. Because entropy is a real thing and so is regression to the mean.
- muwtyhg 8mo ago
  The study mentions a total number of immigrants may be up to twice as many as thought (10 mil vs 20 mil) but it doesn't say anything about when they arrived, how long they have been in the country, etc. You entirely blaming the last admin with no actual evidence, and muddying the facts between the total undocumented vs the amount that entered under Biden. Also... what years was Biden president...? Your study from 2018 would be under a Trump admin, before the Biden admin was even able to "stop enforcing" this portion of immigration law and cause the (supposed) flood of undocumented immigrants. So how is it at all relevant except to confuse the issue?
  - rayiner 8mo ago
    I wasn’t blaming Biden. I said “prior administrations,” plural. The U.S. has failed to enforce the immigration laws since the 1960s: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/29/podcasts/the-daily/election-immigration.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/29/podcasts/the-daily/electi...

by vharuck 8mo ago

rayiner 8mo ago

> In many cases, they are using detention where a simple bond would work. But the bonds didn't work! That is what the prior administrations did, and the result of that was 22 million illegal immigrants in the country (according to a Yale and MIT study from 2018: https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twic...). The law specifically provides for detention and release on bond as two alternatives the Attorney General may choose between: "On a warrant issued by the Attorney General, an alien may be arrested and detained pending a decision on whether the alien is to be removed from the United States. Except as provided in subsection (c) and pending such decision, the Attorney General— (1) may continue to detain the arrested alien; and (2) may release the alien on— (A) bond of at least $1,500 with security approved by, and containing conditions prescribed by, the Attorney General; or (B) conditional parole..." 8 USC 1226(a).

OutOfHere 8mo ago
The law does not allow for cruel and unusual punishment. The Eight Amendment is strongly being violated by the administration. The ICE facilities are extremely poor, unfit for habitation, and are essentially concentration camps. Refer to https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/12/opinion/mass-detention-immigration-court-ruling.html?unlocked_article_code=1.LlA.PeVx.YFPyku-VJ0Mh&smid=url-share https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/12/opinion/mass-detention-im...
- giraffe_lady 8mo ago
  The person you're arguing with is simply in favor of concentration camps and ethnic cleansing. They have 15 years of comments you can skim to verify this, they are very consistent. You are not changing their mind and are just giving them a venue to present this abominable "if it's legal it's fine" framework.
  - rayiner 8mo ago
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    - giraffe_lady 8mo ago
      I believe migration is a right yes. Laws infringe rights all the time the legality doesn't bear on the morality at all.
      - rayiner 8mo ago
        You’re welcome to that view, but most people in the world don’t believe that. Including most people in the countries that these immigrants are coming from.
        giraffe_lady 8mo ago
        I know I just think it's funny how often you ask that like it's some gotcha or clever trick rather than a core value of mine that I will proudly own. Free movement of people will be the human rights issue of the 21st century as decolonization was the 20th and abolition the 19th. You'll die peacefully in a world made better against your will, fuming and raging, like the slaveholders & monarchists you admire.
        rayiner 8mo ago
        No, I suspect I’ll die in an America that’s closer to the third world country my parents escaped from. Because entropy is a real thing and so is regression to the mean.
muwtyhg 8mo ago
The study mentions a total number of immigrants may be up to twice as many as thought (10 mil vs 20 mil) but it doesn't say anything about when they arrived, how long they have been in the country, etc. You entirely blaming the last admin with no actual evidence, and muddying the facts between the total undocumented vs the amount that entered under Biden. Also... what years was Biden president...? Your study from 2018 would be under a Trump admin, before the Biden admin was even able to "stop enforcing" this portion of immigration law and cause the (supposed) flood of undocumented immigrants. So how is it at all relevant except to confuse the issue?
- rayiner 8mo ago
  I wasn’t blaming Biden. I said “prior administrations,” plural. The U.S. has failed to enforce the immigration laws since the 1960s: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/29/podcasts/the-daily/election-immigration.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/29/podcasts/the-daily/electi...