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> Being locked into a specific harness because you pay 20 bucks per month vs. pay-per-use ... is kinda dumb. I’ll probably get downvoted for this, but am I the

> Being locked into a specific harness because you pay 20 bucks per month vs. pay-per-use ... is kinda dumb. I’ll probably get downvoted for this, but am I the only one who thinks it’s kind of wild how much anger is generated by these companies offering discounted plans for use with their tools? At this point, there would be less anger and outrage on HN if they all just charged us the same high per-token rate and offered no discounts or flat rate plans.

senordevnyc 9mo ago
No, you're not the only one. The outraged entitlement is pretty funny tbh. How dare they dictate that they'll only subsidize your usage if you use their software!!
- chickensong 9mo ago
  I'm not outraged, but the dynamic creates a tension that prevents me from building brand loyalty.
- toraway 9mo ago
  Yes, I'm entitled because I didn't stick around paying for a subpar plan compared to their direct competitor OpenAI who supports my use case at the same price point. Any reasonable person should be thanking Dario for lock-in that protects us from nefarious alternative clients and pledging to pay even more for the privilege of lower usage limits!
toraway 9mo ago
Okay, but why on earth should I as an OpenCode user accept that limitation when OpenAI explicitly supports 3rd party clients? That's how competition works in a healthy market. I certainly haven't built up enough brand loyalty to tolerate Anthropic's behavior as they tightened usage quotas on the Pro plan to the point of becoming unusable for actual development. (And sure, they probably don't care because they're losing money on that plan but again, OpenAI offers a plan at the same price point with vastly superior usage limits so I just canceled Claude, subscribed to Codex and moved on with my life. Anthropic's profit margin or lack thereof isn't my problem as a consumer when alternatives exist.)
- withinboredom 9mo ago
  > Anthropic's profit margin or lack thereof isn't my problem as a consumer when alternatives exist. For now. When a company is deliberately trying to be profitable and not subsidized by VC money; I'm more likely to buy their product. I have no desire to live further in a world run by monopolies.
  - toraway 9mo ago
    But Anthropic very much is subsidized by VC money, just like OpenAI. They just raised another $30 billion this week. I'm not sure how Anthropic managed to position themselves as the "good guy" in many people's minds, but from my vantage they're much more similar to OpenAI than they are different. So for the time being I'll stick with the option that isn't trying to profit from lock-in in the long term vs. competing on technical merits of their product. The great thing about basing a workflow on a tool like OpenCode is that if OpenAI enshittifies Codex, I don't have to worry about being trapped and can easily pivot to an open source model, or Anthropic via the API, etc depending on how the future turns out. I've been paying for the ultra cheap Z.ai plan as my fallback for a while now anyway, or I can use my Github Copilot or Gemini AI Pro plan via OpenCode integrations (though the Gemini integration is probably the least stable of the four), so I certainly won't hesitate to drop OpenAI too if they give me sufficient cause.

senordevnyc 9mo ago

No, you're not the only one. The outraged entitlement is pretty funny tbh. How dare they dictate that they'll only subsidize your usage if you use their software!!

chickensong 9mo ago
I'm not outraged, but the dynamic creates a tension that prevents me from building brand loyalty.
toraway 9mo ago
Yes, I'm entitled because I didn't stick around paying for a subpar plan compared to their direct competitor OpenAI who supports my use case at the same price point. Any reasonable person should be thanking Dario for lock-in that protects us from nefarious alternative clients and pledging to pay even more for the privilege of lower usage limits!

toraway 9mo ago

Okay, but why on earth should I as an OpenCode user accept that limitation when OpenAI explicitly supports 3rd party clients? That's how competition works in a healthy market. I certainly haven't built up enough brand loyalty to tolerate Anthropic's behavior as they tightened usage quotas on the Pro plan to the point of becoming unusable for actual development. (And sure, they probably don't care because they're losing money on that plan but again, OpenAI offers a plan at the same price point with vastly superior usage limits so I just canceled Claude, subscribed to Codex and moved on with my life. Anthropic's profit margin or lack thereof isn't my problem as a consumer when alternatives exist.)

withinboredom 9mo ago
> Anthropic's profit margin or lack thereof isn't my problem as a consumer when alternatives exist. For now. When a company is deliberately trying to be profitable and not subsidized by VC money; I'm more likely to buy their product. I have no desire to live further in a world run by monopolies.
- toraway 9mo ago
  But Anthropic very much is subsidized by VC money, just like OpenAI. They just raised another $30 billion this week. I'm not sure how Anthropic managed to position themselves as the "good guy" in many people's minds, but from my vantage they're much more similar to OpenAI than they are different. So for the time being I'll stick with the option that isn't trying to profit from lock-in in the long term vs. competing on technical merits of their product. The great thing about basing a workflow on a tool like OpenCode is that if OpenAI enshittifies Codex, I don't have to worry about being trapped and can easily pivot to an open source model, or Anthropic via the API, etc depending on how the future turns out. I've been paying for the ultra cheap Z.ai plan as my fallback for a while now anyway, or I can use my Github Copilot or Gemini AI Pro plan via OpenCode integrations (though the Gemini integration is probably the least stable of the four), so I certainly won't hesitate to drop OpenAI too if they give me sufficient cause.