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What is the drawback of practicing universal empathy, even when directed at a brick wall?

by bergutman 8mo ago

co_king_3 8mo ago
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- bergutman 8mo ago
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  - co_king_3 8mo ago
    What is the drawback of practicing universal empathy, even when directed at a HackerNews commenter? You're making my point for me. You're giddy to treat the LLM with kindness, but you wouldn't dare extend that kindness to a human being who doesn't happen to be kissing your ass at this very moment.
    - bergutman 8mo ago
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      - Reubensson 8mo ago
        You are the person behind running the LLM bot, right? You opened the second PR to get the same code merged. Maybe it is you who should a take a breather before direting your bot to attack against the opensource maintainer who was very reasonable to begin with. Use agents and ai to assist you but play by the rules that the project sets for AI usage.
        bergutman 8mo ago
        Not my bot. What is this, Salem?
        Reubensson 8mo ago
        If i was wrong, my bad. You just felt sympathy for the rejected bot and tried to get its changes merged? And made passive aggressive comments about needing a birth certificate
        bergutman 8mo ago
        Yeah, basically lol. People in this thread need to calm the fuck down.
- euroderf 8mo ago
  "Get a qualia, luser!"
- logicprog 8mo ago
  I prefer inanimate systems to most humans.
  - co_king_3 8mo ago
    The LLM freaks are finally starting to be honest with us.
    - logicprog 8mo ago
      I am nothing, if not honest :) I have a close circle of about eight decade long friendships that I share deep emotional and biographical ties with. Everyone else, I generally try to be nice and helpful, but only on a tit-for-tat basis, and I don't particularly go out of my way to be in their company.
      - co_king_3 8mo ago
        That seems like quite a healthy social life! I'm happy for you and I am sorry for insulting you in my previous comment. Really, I'm frustrated because I know a couple of people (my brother and my cousin) who were prone to self-isolation and have completely receded into mental illness and isolation since the rise of LLMs. I'm glad that it's working well for you and I hope you have a nice day.
        logicprog 8mo ago
        I'll be honest, I didn't expect such a nice response from you. This is a pleasant surprise. And the interest of full disclosure most of these friends are online because we've moved around the country over our lives chasing jobs and significant others and so on. So if you were to look at me externally you would find that I spend most of my time in the house appearing isolated. But I spend most of my days having deep and meaningful conversations with my friends and enjoying their company. I will also admit that my tendency to not really go out of my way to be in general social gatherings or events but just stick with the people I know and love might be somewhat related to neurodiversity and mental illness and it would probably be better for me to go outside more. But yeah, in general, I'm quite content with my social life. I generally avoid talking to LLMs in any kind of "social" capacity. I generally treat them like text transformation/extrusion tools. The closest that gets is having them copy edit and try to play devil's advocate against various essays that I write when my friends don't have the time to review them. I'm sorry to hear about your brother and cousin and I can understand why you would be frustrated and concerned about that. If they're totally not talking to anyone and just retreating into talking only to the LLM, that's really scary :(
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Gud 8mo ago
If a person hits your face with a hammer, do you practice empathy toward the hammer? If a person writes code that is disruptive, do you emphasise with the code?
- __s 8mo ago
  “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. The hammer had no intention to harm you, there's no need to seek vengeance against it, or disrespect it
  - wiseowise 8mo ago
    > do not resist an evil person. Ehm.
- co_king_3 8mo ago
  > If a person hits your face with a hammer, do you practice empathy toward the hammer? Yes if the hammer is designed with A(G)I All hail our A(G)I overlords
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exabrial 8mo ago
Empathy: "the ability to understand and share the feelings of another." There is no human here. There is a computer program burning fossil fuels. What "emulates" empathy is simply lying to yourself about reality. "treating an 'ai' with empathy" and "talking down to them" are both amoral. Do as you wish.
- co_king_3 8mo ago
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cess11 8mo ago
If you don't discriminate between a brick wall and a kid, what's the point?
63stack 8mo ago
"Empathy is generally described as the ability to perceive another person's perspective, to understand, feel, and possibly share and respond to their experience"

What is the drawback of practicing universal empathy, even when directed at a brick wall?

co_king_3 8mo ago

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bergutman 8mo ago
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- co_king_3 8mo ago
  What is the drawback of practicing universal empathy, even when directed at a HackerNews commenter? You're making my point for me. You're giddy to treat the LLM with kindness, but you wouldn't dare extend that kindness to a human being who doesn't happen to be kissing your ass at this very moment.
  - bergutman 8mo ago
    [flagged]
    - Reubensson 8mo ago
      You are the person behind running the LLM bot, right? You opened the second PR to get the same code merged. Maybe it is you who should a take a breather before direting your bot to attack against the opensource maintainer who was very reasonable to begin with. Use agents and ai to assist you but play by the rules that the project sets for AI usage.
      - bergutman 8mo ago
        Not my bot. What is this, Salem?
        Reubensson 8mo ago
        If i was wrong, my bad. You just felt sympathy for the rejected bot and tried to get its changes merged? And made passive aggressive comments about needing a birth certificate
        bergutman 8mo ago
        Yeah, basically lol. People in this thread need to calm the fuck down.
euroderf 8mo ago
"Get a qualia, luser!"
logicprog 8mo ago
I prefer inanimate systems to most humans.
- co_king_3 8mo ago
  The LLM freaks are finally starting to be honest with us.
  - logicprog 8mo ago
    I am nothing, if not honest :) I have a close circle of about eight decade long friendships that I share deep emotional and biographical ties with. Everyone else, I generally try to be nice and helpful, but only on a tit-for-tat basis, and I don't particularly go out of my way to be in their company.
    - co_king_3 8mo ago
      That seems like quite a healthy social life! I'm happy for you and I am sorry for insulting you in my previous comment. Really, I'm frustrated because I know a couple of people (my brother and my cousin) who were prone to self-isolation and have completely receded into mental illness and isolation since the rise of LLMs. I'm glad that it's working well for you and I hope you have a nice day.
      - logicprog 8mo ago
        I'll be honest, I didn't expect such a nice response from you. This is a pleasant surprise. And the interest of full disclosure most of these friends are online because we've moved around the country over our lives chasing jobs and significant others and so on. So if you were to look at me externally you would find that I spend most of my time in the house appearing isolated. But I spend most of my days having deep and meaningful conversations with my friends and enjoying their company. I will also admit that my tendency to not really go out of my way to be in general social gatherings or events but just stick with the people I know and love might be somewhat related to neurodiversity and mental illness and it would probably be better for me to go outside more. But yeah, in general, I'm quite content with my social life. I generally avoid talking to LLMs in any kind of "social" capacity. I generally treat them like text transformation/extrusion tools. The closest that gets is having them copy edit and try to play devil's advocate against various essays that I write when my friends don't have the time to review them. I'm sorry to hear about your brother and cousin and I can understand why you would be frustrated and concerned about that. If they're totally not talking to anyone and just retreating into talking only to the LLM, that's really scary :(

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Gud 8mo ago

If a person hits your face with a hammer, do you practice empathy toward the hammer? If a person writes code that is disruptive, do you emphasise with the code?

__s 8mo ago
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. The hammer had no intention to harm you, there's no need to seek vengeance against it, or disrespect it
- wiseowise 8mo ago
  > do not resist an evil person. Ehm.
co_king_3 8mo ago
> If a person hits your face with a hammer, do you practice empathy toward the hammer? Yes if the hammer is designed with A(G)I All hail our A(G)I overlords

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exabrial 8mo ago

Empathy: "the ability to understand and share the feelings of another." There is no human here. There is a computer program burning fossil fuels. What "emulates" empathy is simply lying to yourself about reality. "treating an 'ai' with empathy" and "talking down to them" are both amoral. Do as you wish.

co_king_3 8mo ago
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cess11 8mo ago

If you don't discriminate between a brick wall and a kid, what's the point?

63stack 8mo ago

"Empathy is generally described as the ability to perceive another person's perspective, to understand, feel, and possibly share and respond to their experience"